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Topic started by SnoopDog176 on 3 Aug 2008, 15:32:17
yaman
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13 Nov 2008, 22:53:31
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
well I gotta admit that f6 is an ingenious move that if I looked at the position for a month I'd never think of.Thx Paz for taking the time on this.Very interesting!
SnoopDog176
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16 Nov 2008, 15:15:50
 
Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
I have to throw this game up to show the effects of old man age creeping up. Yaman v. Snoop
 
 
In this game I think black was Ok after 13.... d5. Strong center and up a pawn, but black has to give up castling rights. no biggie.
 
But obviously, black's last move, 17..... Nc5 is lame for a 1200 player. Just can't sometimes see the next move in front of me. How to toally blow it in one easy move!
 
Yaman suggested that if black played Nxe5, white had nothing.
I agree in a sense that black is then up two pawns but still has to fight Qg5+ and get all cramped up, probably leaving the K-rook undeveloped.
 
What I had planned to play up until the last second was 17..... f6, preventing Qg5+.
 
I think it holds water and black should be even eventually, and maybe even up 1 pawn in the endgame.
 
 
 
[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "Caissa's Web"]
[Date "2008.10.14"]
[White "yaman"]
[Black "SnoopDog176"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "20/720"]
[WhiteELO "2374"]
[BlackELO "2140"]
[ECO "B97"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Variation "Najdorf, poisoned pawn variation"]
 
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. Qd2 Qxb2
9. Rb1 Qa3 10. Be2 Be7 11. O-O Nc6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. Kh1 d5 14. e5 Nd7 15. Rb3 Qa5
16. Bxe7 Kxe7 17. f5 Nc5 18. Nxd5+
Edited on 16 Nov 2008 at 15:23:53
SnoopDog176
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18 Nov 2008, 00:41:01
 
Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread

Just looking at the crosstable,,
we have almost completed the tourney and we lost no players along the way, which is great. I think most everyone has mostly around 24-25 games done (out of 30).
 
So maybe it is time we begin to ponder the next Corr MOT.
what will it be? who will run it? will we go with sections (probably)
 
suggestions?
RAPTOR
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18 Nov 2008, 00:46:29
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
I need more time to get a book EARLIER than the last time.
 
Ask wanna about 1. b4
Edited on 18 Nov 2008 at 00:49:08
SnoopDog176
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18 Nov 2008, 00:53:53
 
Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread

Ahhh! the ever infamous 1. b4 opening!
what do they call that, the "elephant" or some damm thing?
RAPTOR
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18 Nov 2008, 01:18:38
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That is the eat the raptor. Real damn quick !!
 
 

Edited on 18 Nov 2008 at 01:23:06
NevadaMaster
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18 Nov 2008, 02:41:34
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
By the way, I don't know who's running the next themed tournament, but how about the Arch Angel Ruy Lopez? Or maybe the Dragon.
wanna2008
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18 Nov 2008, 05:02:45
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
LOL
 
Rap is right! Orangtang!...as I told him...it was Rollanother ...at the begining of caissa who used it against me the first time..and i lost....it was love at first sight for me with that opening, lots of tricks and surprises if u are not careful...it produces very vivid games...
Edited on 18 Nov 2008 at 05:05:10
SnoopDog176
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18 Nov 2008, 05:36:53
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread

when I did this one i twas either going to be the poisoned pawn or the dragon. I'd like the dragon, sure.
 
but I think Gladiator wants to do a Marshall counter attack (ruey lopez). So we'll see.
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18 Nov 2008, 05:37:44
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orangtang,,, elephant,, same thang! lol
NevadaMaster
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19 Nov 2008, 04:46:16
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
The Marshall sounds awesome too!
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19 Nov 2008, 05:07:29
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
NevadaMaster said:
The Marshall sounds awesome too!
 
..Yeah, but then again; Some people think that taking a 7 mile, one-way hike, over a 'well-trodden' path of the "Grand Canyon," {from the top, to the base}, is an 'awesome' challenge, also! ..
 
Ps., Not so, with "Go," "Shogi"..{Japanese Chess}, or even "Fischerandom"!..
Gladiator
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19 Nov 2008, 10:00:56
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
Actually, I will do a MOT based on the main line Spanish. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 0-0 Be7 6 Re1 b5 7 Bb3 d6 8 c3 0-0 9 h3!
RAPTOR
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19 Nov 2008, 14:39:05
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
i almost understand this one. the one thing i cant get is why on 4 the knight didnt x e4. oh well, the folks who designed and played this are far far sharper than me.
 
With my corr rating of 8 and live at 14 perhaps i just dont grasp the situation.
Edited on 19 Nov 2008 at 14:40:32
pazuzu
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19 Nov 2008, 15:00:54
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
RAPTOR said:
the one thing i cant get is why on 4 the knight didnt x e4.
 
There isn't a knight in position to take e4 at move 4.
 
pazuzu
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19 Nov 2008, 15:42:45
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
pazuzu said:
There isn't a knight in position to take e4 at move 4.
 
 
so sorry. make that after move 4 when the knight is on f6 then
 
5) o-o nxe4
Edited on 19 Nov 2008 at 15:45:01
pazuzu
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19 Nov 2008, 16:58:15
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
There isn't any reason Nxe4 can't be played, it is a known variation on the opening, Ruy Lopez Open Defense. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 O-O Nxe4 6 d4 b5 7 Bb3 d5 8 dxe5 Be6 9c3 Bc5
 
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19 Nov 2008, 18:48:58
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OK I got that. I was thinking there might be a more sinister reason to NOT take the pawn. I cant see much past 3, or really streatching it to 4, moves.
 
Glad left that move out and I guess it is just to make the game a little more interesting. OK. thanks.
Edited on 19 Nov 2008 at 18:52:19
pazuzu
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19 Nov 2008, 19:01:57
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
No, there is nothing sinister about it, when you have thousands of different ways you can play an opening then something is going to be left out somewhere.
 
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yaman
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19 Nov 2008, 23:04:32
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Re: Official Poisoned Pawn variation, SD, MOT Kabitzing Thread
I'd prefer a main line Ruy to a Marshall gambit Ruy.I never play e4 as White or e5 as black (against e4) but The Marshall has known theory going a gazillion miles out.Main line only goes out to move 20ish?