Hi Hmmm
 
You've never seen a cloud burst forth? What about those parts of our earth that experience flash floods and worse?
 
However, can you say that scientist fully understand "the centrifugal rotational-force of our planet"?
 
Unless we have been duped there have been astronauts that have been able to look at the earth from space. Similarly to not being able to actually see gravity, pictures they have returned don't appear to indicate that the earth rotates on something. Wouldn't that fact thus imply it rotates on nothing?
 
Hi GRRRRR
 
Since this is your position why is it that in the quite moments of your day deep within yourself you find that persistent annoyance of questioning these very words you bring forth?
 
Further, is it remotely possible that when the Bible speaks of an "ant" it really means to be speaking of an "ant" and nothing more or less?
 
Damascus light shines soon for you.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

IBIJ
 
#1. No I don't have a persistence annoyance of questioning my own words. I may have an annoyance of questioning yours.
 
#2.If the Bible speaks of an "ant". My first question would be, "Is it speaking literally or figuratively?"
 
#3. Damascus is a city in Syria, I don't know what light you are talking about.
 
Grandpa13

Hi GP13
 
It appears as though you may have missed the part in my post which read "Hi GRRRR". To that extent the 2nd half of the post was not in response to you, but rather GRRRR who knows exactly what I am talking about. Thus all 3 points you brought up were actually in response to GRRRR rather than yourself. Thus the only point that appears relevant to bring forward into our discussions would be that of #2.
 
Proverbs 6
6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
 
7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
 
8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
 
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From our scientific discoveries of ants have we learned that their is a single overseer or ruler like that of most bee colonies?
 
Does an ant store its provisions in summer according to the science we know of the creature?
 
Does an ant gather food during the harvest sometimes carrying more than 3 times it's own body weight?
 
If all of these points which are brought out from the Proverbs verses are literal then how can the core of the verse itself be figurative?
 
Are you going to answer my question about what is a cult? I am very interested in what people's answers here are, wouldn't you be such if you received accusations of belonging to a cult?
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 
 
 
 

IBIJ
 
A proverb is a popular saying. It could be taken literally or figuritivly.
 
What is a cult? Obviously a loaded question. You know what a cult is as well I as I do. You can't base your judgment on what others think. This is a question you have to answer in your own mind. Just to refresh your mind, here is what Encarta says it is.
 
cult [ kult ] (plural cults)
noun
 
Definition:

1. religion: a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader
 
2. religious group: a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false
 
3. idolization of somebody or something: an extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity ( often used before a noun )
the cult of youth
a cult hero
 
4. object of idolization: a person, philosophy, or activity regarded with extreme or excessive admiration
 
5. fad: something popular or fashionable among a devoted group of enthusiasts ( often used before a noun )
has taken on cult status
 
6. CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGY system of supernatural beliefs: a body of organized practices and beliefs supposed to involve interaction with and control over supernatural powers
 
7. SOCIOLOGY elite group: a self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective
 

Given that definition would that make Catholicism a cult to 7th Day Adventist and 7th Day Adventism a cult to Catholicism?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Suit yourself, I don't have a problem with either one. I try to accept people places and things as they are. I don't have a duty nor an obligation to change them. I leave that to the do-gooders. The people who can't accept things as they are. The ones that have an obsessive need to be right.
 
grandpa13

But wouldn't that train of thought lead to Pathenism where it doesn't matter what a person does, all paths lead to Heaven?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

 I take it that you mean quiet moments. Well in the quiet moments of my day, I'm thinking of my wife, beer, arthouse films, music, sport ,the whitsunday islands, and all the good things in life. God has no place in my life, and never will.

"grevillea," said: "I take it that you mean quiet moments. Well in the quiet moments of my day, I'm thinking of my wife, beer, arthouse films, music, sport ,the whitsunday islands, and all the good things in life. God has no place in my life, and never will."
 
'Memory' replies: Might this be one of the final 'parting-shots'..{in the same spirit, of what 'IBIJ' has suggested}, of one of the greater, near-future, Australian 'soul-winners' that has ever lived?.. prior to getting 'Saved'?! .. If so, what a powerful testimony that would be! ..

  HOM,I accept that you are a christian. I don't want to convert you to any other religion, or to a cult such as the 7th day adventists. Why can't you simply accept that I am an atheist and forever will be. Live and let live. As for soul saving testimony...not gonna happen. Some years back, I think it was the watchtower brigade spent 18 months on my doorstep.[ only because , one was a stunning blonde]. I slowly ground down their persistence with calm logic, and they gave up.I intend to do you the same way.

Hi GRRRRR
 
It's been how many years, and that hasn't happened yet? I'm guessing your going to be found wanting on this front.
 
Since you claim 7th Day Adventism to be a cult surely you can put some substance to that accusation can you not?
 
Did you know that the Apostle Paul mudered Christians before His conversion? Never say never.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

 As you well know, IBIJ, at your last caissa renewal, you threw in the towel and left caissa. Naturally, we had to endure an agonizing countdown to the great day of your departure, only for some masochist to renew your membership. So you are here today under false pretenses. Not surprising behavior from a member of a fundie cult.

Hi GRRRRR
 
It wasn't the towel I was throwing in but rather the watch as my time is truly not what it used to be. Thus, even if I do leave next March it won't be because of you; but rather I simply don't have the time for Caissa itself anymore. Take your victory dance over that if you like, just seems strange to me to proceed in doing so.
 
Here on "false pretenses"? Hardly, I'm here out of the generosity of an individual that did not desire to see me leave. Not everyone things my writings are as crazy as you do my friend.
 
Now wait a minute. Either I'm a fundie or I'm in a cult. It truly can't be both simultaniously can it? That just doesn't seem to be a logical position to take in my opinion. However, I'm interested, how is it that you have deemed me to be part of a "fundie cult"?
 
Cheers
IBIJ