We are born and then we set out on our journey of happy destiny. We encounter many obstacles on the way, and we learn from them. As time goes by we finally arrive at the fact that in this universe there is a power greater than ourselves. The evidence is quite obvious; it is all around us and in us.
 
We ponder, we think, seek and wonder about it. Finally the day arrives and we have a need to decide on what this power is and what to call this power greater than ourselves. I decided to call it God. Somehow for some reason, it never occurred to me that it could be a carton of milk.
 
Gp13

You are strangely silent in the other thread, which you started. The one where you said "it is just as illogical to read the Bible literally, as it is believe in a jug of Milk". By inference, you are saying that it is illogical to pray to Milk. Which is why, I challenged anyone from the Christian side to show why it is more logical to believe in Christianity than any other religion. Hall of mirrors refused to answer, IBIJ, just did not get it , and you [GP13] had nothing to say at all.So, somewhat pedantically, I will ask you directly.....what grounds do you have to put your God [in whatever form you perceive it / him/ her] above my jug of Milk?

Hi GRRRRR
 
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
Since I very much desire to go to Heaven and have little to no interest in going to the dairy, this indeed does answer your question whether you like it or not.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

It does not answer the question at all. I can produce any number of quotes from other religious books, to match "I am the way,etc" I am getting a bit sick of asking this..but on what grounds can you say that I should choose the Christian Bible, over lets say the Koran, where I can assure you...in the Koran Jesus is not "the way, the light or anything special at all". So how do I choose. What reasons? Can't make the question much simpler, but the way things are going , I'm not going to get an answer. Time to remember my teacher's words of wisdom. Before you answer, make sure you understand the question. And it's clear why you , and the other Christian are struggling....because if you do admit that Christianity is no more valid than Milk, you also admit that Bible scripture carries no more weight than the label on my milk carton.And your entire religion collapses.

Grevilla
 
What grounds do I have to chose my God above your jug of milk?
 
I don't need any grounds, I have decided, I have chosen, I have faith and belief in my God.
 
The burden of proof is in your court, you are the the one stuck with a jug of milk for a God.
 
grandpa13

Exscuse me ,SoCo worships a carton of milk there is a very big differance between a jug of milk and a carton of milk.
 
D

In his 3 April 21:46 post he called it a jug of milk.

Hi GRRRR
 
As GP13 stated, since I as he has decided to follow Jesus the relevancy of the text provided beomes self-evident. We choose to believe the Bible as the inherent Word of God, therefore and for us it is.
 
Upon review of the prophesies within we find that 90% of them have come true exactly as they were stated. The 10% or so that have yet to be fulfilled all relate to the second coming of Christ at which point they will be fulfilled.
 
An example would be Daniel 2 and King Neb's dream which Daniel interpreted without error. In this prophecy you find Babylon being the head of gold, followed by Media Persia taking rulership, then Greece, then Rome with it's two forms of government (one religious and the other legislative), Rome never fell which brings us to modern day with the very next step being the return of Christ and the establishment of His Kingdom on earth forevermore.
 
Look into it, you will find this all lines up with historical documentation quite nicely. There is much more to the vision in Daniel 2 than described above, but I was attempting brevity. Further, there are numerous other prophecies and eyewitness encounters which prove the relevancy of Scriptures.
 
You are correct that there are many books that say many things. Which one can compare prophectically with 100% accuracy prophetical statements made within like the Bible does? Bring one forward, I dare you.
 
Combine the above with my own personal life experiences and you have my reason for believing God's Word over anything else including my own often misguided ideas. That's why when I dialog on these matters you will repeatedly find me referring to God's Clear Word over my own thoughts which in comparison are little more than rubbish.
 
However, it is important to point out that God holds us accountable for what we know not what we do not know. To that extent many will be surprised with who does and does not enter into Heaven.
 
There will be many
Muslim's
Hindu's
Budhist's
And the like in heaven
 
While some who are Christian including
SDA's
Baptist
Methodist
Catholic
 
Will never make it in. God holds us responsible for following what we know not what we do not know. He is much more interested in our hearts pursuit than if we know what it says in Hezekia 2:8. However, having been put in a position of having God's Word available to me, I am responsible for learning and knowing what it's content is and putting aside all the wimsical ideas of man (including my own) in favor of following the clear directives within the Holy Bible.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

> Grevilla
>
> What grounds do I have to chose my God above your jug of milk?
>
> I don't need any grounds, I have decided, I have chosen, I have faith
> and belief in my God.
>
> The burden of proof is in your court, you are the the one stuck with a
> jug of milk for a God.
 
grandpa13
 
Do you smell toast? You may be having a stroke, or breakfast is ready and it's served with milk.
 
No one made any claims about milk that aren't fact. It provides essential vitamins and nutrients. I worship that in my own way.
 
The burden of proof resides with the individual making the claim. If you are claiming there is a god, and it is the god described by the xian bible, then You are saddled with that burden.
 
--SoCo

Hi SC
 
Interesting how you clearly read GP13's comments and avoided my like the plague.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

..'Furthermore, 'IBIJ,' HATES IT, when people ignore him, and/or
what he has 'to say'{!}.. but y'all {all-other-'posters'} probably
have already figured 'that one,' out, for yourselves! 0:

Grevilla
 
As IBIJ says. "God holds us accountable for what we know, not what we don't know. So maybe your position is better than mine. But I can't figure out how in the hell you would be able to explain it to your children.
 
Grandpa13

Hi GRRRR & GP13
 
Yes, God holds us accountable for what we know accepting for blantantly throwing His Word to the wind as you hang tightly to a cup of milk.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

GP13, For an explanation to my children, I would show them these BB threads. They would be amazed at how anyone in this modern era , can hold such strong belief that god exists. As it is my children are grown up. None are religious. None go to church.

A little humor
 
Did you hear about the atheist that died? They dressed him up in his finest, but he had nowhere to go.
 
I told this story to a lifetime friend of mine who is an atheist, he didn't think it was funny. We have been friends for a long time. He has spent endless hours trying to convince me there is no God nor is there life after death. He knows I am Catholic and what I believe, but he is obsessed with the idea of convincing me how wrong I am.
 
Would you say he is non religious, or would you say he is religiously anti religious. I don't really care what he believes but I could never understand why he is so concerened with what I believe. I kid him about the fact that I have something good to look forward too where he doesn't.
 
grandpa13

Likewise for the Christian till the resurrection. I'll let you sleep on that one.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Quoting GP 13:
I don't really care what he believes but I could never
> understand why he is so concerened with what I believe.
 
Yeah, That.
 
Tknight

Hi TK & GP13
 
With the missing post one can only wonder who the "he" in what GP13 wrote must have been.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

I*IJ I wasn't ignoring you. I just didn't care!
 
You really stuck it to us with bible prophesy. Having nailed down the firmament, windows where rain comes from, a value of Pi of 3 and everything written in Isiah about a messiah being fulfilled by jesus in the book of Matthew how can that be argued against?
 
It's like Matty had the book of isiah in front of him when he wrote his book, and we both know that didn't happen, right? And the science is dead on!
 
I'm sure the bible predicted nuclear fission, the internet, microchips, muslims, the discovery of america, men landing on the moon, new coke, new caissa, and 9/11.
 
Q Why should you worship jesus instead of milk?
 
A Because the bible says to.
 
Q Ok. Why do you believe the bible?
 
A Because it is the word of god.
 
Q Ok. That's cool. Who says it's the word of god.
 
A The bible.
 
Q Wait....that doesn't make any sense.
Ok, why do you believe the bible?
 
A I want to.
 
Believe what you want about the infallability of the bible, but you believe because you want to. We want to believe in milk.
 
--SoCo

Moving this to top so I can address later.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ