Hi Doorman
 
I haven't heard your idea of straighting us all out. I have always liked knowing what other people think and why they believe what they believe.
 
IBIJ2

Hi grandpo 13
 
Numbers 19:13
 
(I have jewish friends and have study their believes. That is an advantage here.)
 
If I was to go in and touch a dead body and didn not go through the traditions to purify myself then I would be cut off. I am a living soul the dead body is dead. There is therefore no sepation of body and soul by this verse only the referance of a body verses life. It is the same in one.
 
Isaiah 10:18
 
Reading verses before and after this isn't refiring to humans but to the forest and the fruitful fields and that it will all be distroyed. Study the verses around it and what it is saying.
 
Isaiah 51:23
 
So read just these two verse show me the pattern of reading lay it out as a poet would write then read it again and see what is happening here. Read it as the writter would have read it. It makes a differents as it places the meaning different.
 
22Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
 
23But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.
 
There is no where here that it sepersates body and soul it is one thing using two different words. It is two words meaning the same thing.
 
 
Micah 6:7
How about you brake this down and read verse before and after it is perty clear!! I don't care to be spoon feed and don't care to spoon feed people as most don't care for it either. I appreciate the fact you looked up these text.
 
 
Matthew 10:28
This is refuring to the devil being able to destroy our whole self - another word for body and soul. So this verse refures to the fact that when persacution comes along that they can distroy my physical being (another word for body, soul, self)but we should be more concern about the devil who can distroy our relationship with God. Can you distroy my mind? No!! God is here to protect it as I have asked. If I was to say I don't need this protection then I am open to distruction of my mind and body.
 
1 Thessalonians 5:23
 
19Quench not the Spirit.
 
20Despise not prophesyings.
 
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
 
22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
 
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
 
25Brethren, pray for us.
 
26Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
 
27I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
 
28The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
 
 
What is happening here? This is a closing what happens in a close?
Here is another that I will let you think out.
 
IBIJ2
 

IBIJ
 
I have two suggestions
 
# 1. Study the history of the Bible, both the Old and New Testament.
# 2. Study the beliefs of all recognized religions.
 
Maybe then you will know what your talking about, and get out of your rut.
 
grandpa13

Hey GP
 
What would you say if I told you that I have indeed studied extensively both the OT and NT Scriptures? I could put forth my accolades here, but as Jebus has said elsewhere they mean very little as it relates to salvation. On that point I would indeed agree with him, though I would take the leap to say the more thouroughly you studied something (anything) the more head knowledge that would inevitablly result.
 
"All recognized religions"?
 
I've been a Baptist, Non-denominational, Methodist pastor, Four Square evanglist, Went to a Christian college that was not Adventist where I have 2 degrees from, and studied quite extensively Catholicism; would that count? Opps, so much for not spilling out accolades, but now that that is done may I suggest that it did not stop there.
 
If you look at the view points of most current day main-line denominations they are much more Catholic oriented than they would admit. There are some differences, but there are more similarities than differences these days. Which is probably why such meetings as what one member on Caissa attended are taking place. What was the meeting you ask? That's easy, how to rejoin main-line denominations with Catholicism. This is happening and will probably have happened in my lifetime and yours.
 
I stand against such a union not because those within Catholicism are necessarily lost, but rather the system itself is corrupt. One only needs to look at the martyers of yesteryear to find this to be the case. But then that would require a study of history which is what you recommended for me, hmmmmm funny how things come about full circle sometimes.
 
By the way, would you be suggesting that religions like
Hindui
Muslim
Judism (Which happens to be the religion of such people as Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul)
Budist
And such
Are not recognized religions? Though I surely do not side with their thoughts and teachings to say they are not recognized religions would indeed be something I could not do. How much study have you done in coming to understand those religions?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Perhaps I ought to begin by asking why one should even begin thinking that God can't create something that could burn forever? Let's see, God was able to figure out how to create a fire that did not consume a meager bush back in Moses' time, I guess He couldn't figure out how to cIs that totally beyond your imagination? If so, does that mean that God cannot do it? If that is your thought, then why would He tell us that His thoughts are beyond our thoughts? My other question centers around your assumption that the lake of fire only exists once all of that hail and brimstone falls from the sky. What multiple scriptures support that interpretation, since it is not literal? You must make some assumptions to reach that conclusion.

Hi Jebus
 
YOU SAID:
Perhaps I ought to begin by asking why one should even begin thinking that God can't create something that could burn forever?
 
MY RESPONSE:
Awww, the ole can God create a rock that He cannot lift concept? This should be interesting, not necessarily Biblical, but definitely interesting. Please continue.
 
YOU SAID:
Let's see, God was able to figure out how to create a fire that did not consume a meager bush back in Moses' time, I guess He couldn't figure out how to cIs that totally beyond your imagination?
 
MY RESPONSE:
I believe in the burning bush account. Though Iâ019m thinking that bush is no longer burning today, how about you?
 
YOU SAID:
If so, does that mean that God cannot do it? If that is your thought, then why would He tell us that His thoughts are beyond our thoughts?
 
MY RESPONSE:
Whoaâ026 like stepping off the side of a under water shelf it suddenly got deep in here. But to answer your question, nope; that is not my thought. It does appear to be yours though since Iâ019ve never even remotely considered a concept like this before. Might win a best selling si-fi award though if made into a book.
 
YOU SAID:
My other question centers around your assumption that the lake of fire only exists once all of that hail and brimstone falls from the sky. What multiple scriptures support that interpretation, since it is not literal? You must make some assumptions to reach that conclusion.
 
MY RESPONSE:
I must make assumptions? Naw, just believing Godâ019s Word to literally mean what it says.
 
GODâ019s WORD:
Luke 17:29
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
 
MY RESPONSE:
So above we read that Sodom was destroyed by fire and brimstone. But wait, thereâ019s moreâ026
 
GODâ019s WORD:
2 Peter 2:6
if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 
MY RESPONSE:
Here we see that both Sodom and Gomorrah are made examples of what is to happen to the ungodly. I feel like Iâ019m just retyping the verse from above. If you can show me Sodom and Gomorra burning today then I will believe that hell fire is eternal as according to Godâ019s Word they are the example. However, if you cannot show me these cities burning today then wouldnâ019t the example have to be that the fires of hell are temporary since they were temporary for Sodom and Gomorrah?
 
And donâ019t forget that silly little word â01Ccondemnedâ01D. It looks painfully close to the same word used in Romanâ019s during our other dialog, doesnâ019t it?
 
GODâ019s WORD:
Psalm 11:6
6Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
 
MY RESPONSE:
And all those who choose to live as Sodom and Gomorrah did will receive the same results that Sodom and Gomorrah did. After all, wouldnâ019t that be the literal definition of what the word â01Cexampleâ01D means?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Ahh, I see that you use your wife to lure me back into a dialogue with you. Not very honest. But, you still refuse to show me the scripture that describes that lake of fire pooling up outside of those two cities. Where is it? You are assuming that that is how the lake of fire gets formed. Scripture does not tell us that at all. Let's see, your arguement against a fire that can burn forever is that the "burning bush" isn't still burning? Come on. You can do better than that, or are you backed into a corner from which there is no escape? You need natural explanations that your mind can comprehend, and in so doing you rob God of His deity and power. Shame on you! Claiming not to make any assumptions and yet your reply is overflowing with them. Not to mention that I was expecting reply from your wife, why isn't she replying?
 
~JEBUS

LOL - Okay... if it's the lioness you want be my guest IBIJ2. I had no intention of "luring" you back in with anything... I knew you would naturally come all by yourself. I'll cease replying to this post for the moment and leave that to my beautiful IBIJ2.
 
And as to why she isn't replying, my best guess would be that she is busy working. It's only a guess as I'm traveling at the current time.
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 
PS: I love you IBIJ2 :)

Hi Dual Space
 
How do you come up with those facts? I need proof.
 
IBIJ2

Hi JEBUS
 
First I wasn't being used and that wasn't my Goal but thank you anyway.
 
Tell me why would a loving God want to watch you or me burn forever as in never ending? And where is your proof that it does burn forever? How does the new earth be in the same place that the fire is burning? How loving is it for say my husband to make it to haven and I am burning forever and every time he turns around he has to see and smell flesh burning? Does he have the possiblity of doing this - most likely but does He have the heart to treat those He love that way - not on your life!
 
Genesis 19:24
 
24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
 
Luke 17:29
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
 
 
What happen to these cities it what will happen at the end with the fire are these cities still burning?
 
exodus9
23And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt.
 
24So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
 
25And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.
 
Is this still burning and it is discribed as hail. besides the fire and hail coming down from heaven.
 
This shows the end of death and hell:
Revelation 20:14
 
 
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 
 
Here is another that shows the death which is the end of
Revelation 21:8
 
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
There is more if you so choose
 
Have a Blessed Day
IBIJ2

Simply because I cannot wrap my puny mind around God's thoughts does not translate into Him not doing it. I can not explain why He is going to have lost souls go through eternal torment except to say that it must have something to do with a sinful nature and never being willing to love God more than self. Tell me this, Why does God, or anyone else, have to watch anything of the sort? You are assuming(yet again) that the lake of fire is somewhere on this planet when no scripture places it here. Hell is not the same as the lake of fire, as scripture plainly tells us. Death is not the same as the lake of fire, as scripture plainly tells us. Those two things get thrown into the lake of fire at the end of this age. Why is that so difficult to comprehend? We will not be within viewing distance of all who will be tormented, scripture teaches us that. We will not be able to hear their weeping and their anguish, the gnashing of their teeth. Since you mention burning hail, how do you explain how God managed to create hail that burns? That is illogical stuff. How could it remain as ice and still be burning? Oh, I know. God can do anything, it is part of who He is, His nature. Just to add to my points on the lake of fire; I wonder what effect there is with death going into that lake? No more death...eternal torment...forget it, God just simply couldn't do that 'cause he is Love.
 
~JEBUS

Hi IBIJ2
 
Keep going, you rock.
 
And Jebus, as I said I will not continue in this conversation for the moment. Though I find it interesting that IBIJ2 builds most everything she said on Scripture while you errrr hmmmmm. That and if you use a parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man to prove that we go to Heaven immediately after death and then somehow you move Heaven. I've always been amazed at that one.
 
Okay... enough from me before I'm tempted to continue.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Hi Jebus
 
Heaven is something I can't rap my brain around not the love of God as incredable as it is. As heaven is beyond our imagination. Think a tree that produce a different fruit every month. How wonderful and amazing that will be to do the science and found out how!!!
 
So far this is nothing that says that He will keep fueling the fire just for them so someone will have to be watching and yes scriptures does say that the lake of fire will be here and it does say that we will live here after that when the earth is made new. Where is the new earth that the lion is lead by a child. It will be on the ground that we are on when it is restored to its rightful place.
 
Yes God can do anything the question is would He step out of His love and change who He is at the heart. If that is the kind of God He is after He has given His word of mercy then why would I want to spend eternety with Him never being able to trust in His mercy again? How is burning that never stops showing that He is a merciful God that is totally out of charator.
 
Again the words forever is included in Sodom and Gamora yet the smoke is not still going up form their cities? this is an example of Gods mercy and who He is an His charater.
 
Do you know where the theary of hell lasting forever came from that it never stops and people torchered with no mercy? Are you up to a history class besides bible?
 
IBIJ2

Hi IBIJ2
 
Honey, it would be good to provide a few verses on the Heavenly Kingdom being here on earth. This is yet another truth that most don't understand. Also, showing Scripture of the final battle being against the Heavenly Kingdom here on earth (aka Armagedon) would be good. As I would suppose the majority of people including the readers here are expecting Armagedon in a much different way than what Scripture teaches. These are points I have not yet focused on in our discussion. Not that I should need to, as anyone who seriously studies Scripture for exactly what it says instead of what they want it to say can find this information. Never-the-less, I digress.
 
I'll be home tomorrow. Love you.
 
Your man
IBIJ

Once more I will ask you for the scriptures that plainly say that the lake of fire is here on earth, now. It must be according to your interpretation of the Old Testament. Yours is not a literal reading of what happened to those two cities. God is merciful since He did not have to spare us from our just punishment for sinning against Him in the first place. I do not deserve His mercy, He loves me so much that He offers it to me. Why ought He to extend mercy to all those people who refuse to turn from their sins? Especially once they have died and can no longer choose to change? I think it translates from the fact that you, personally, cannot feel good with the thought that a Holy God who cannot stomach sin in His presence would execute Holy judgment in that fashion. Eternal torment because one chose enslavement to sin rather than accept a free gift of love from the Creator. Are you claiming that you know how much that pains God? It is abominable to Him.
 
~JEBUS

Hi IBIJ
 
You are right I am assuming to much and need to spell more out as we americans don't do a lot of research and don't know history.
 
I will be back with details I need to run and do a couple of things.
 
IBIJ2

Hi Jebus
 
Here is some information that will set it straight with a straight walk through scripture that will help. The idea of a hell that goes on and on came in the dark ages and it was away that the pope could get more money out of people so they could be rich and keep the poor poor. I will let you look up the text as it is good for those wanting to study the Bible or debate its truths to open the pages of it and read what it says. If you don't have a Bible go to Biblegateway.com and you will have your choose of many different versions.
 
Jer. 31:3 God's character is one of love and it is revealed in 2 Pet. 3:9 where is says God is not willing that any should perish. Heb. 12:29 tells us that God is a consuming fire. Both sin and sinners are combustible and one or the other will be consumed by His presence. If sin abides in the heart, that individual will be consumed. If by His grace it has been eradicated, then sin will be consumed in the fires of hell. Mal. 4:1-3 states that sinners will ultimately be burned up or turned to ashes and we know that according to Rev. 21,22 that when God recreates the earth for the righteous to dwell in throughout eternity, that the wicked will be as ashes under their feet. This is confirmed in Ps. 37:10 where we are told that the wicked shall not be. V. 20 says that they shall perish, they shall be consumed away and v. 36 says that the wicked will not be found. Matt. 25:46 reveals that the punishment will be everlasting. Note the text does not say "everlasting punishing". It is a single punishment whose effect lasts forever. Jude 7 tells us that Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of everlasting punishment and eternal fire. These cities lie in ruins today underneath a portion of the Dead Sea. They are not burning any more. Rather, 2 Pet. 2:6 states that these two cities are turned into ashes. It is true that in Matt. 3:11,12 we learn that the fire cannot be quenched or put out until it completes its work of totally eradicating sin from the universe. As a case in point, Jer. 17:19-27 prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed by an unquenchable fire which human hands could not put out. It completed its work of totally destroying Jerusalem, yet Jerusalem is not burning today. Rev. 20:10 tells us that the wicked shall be destroyed forever. Forever does not always mean endless existence but is literally translated "until the end of the age." An example of this is found in Ex. 21:6 where it says that a slave shall serve his master forever or as long as he lives. Another illustration: Hannah presented Samuel before the Lord forever or for as long as he would live. In 2 Pet. 2:4 we learn that the evil angels and all of the wicked are reserved unto judgment. Hell is not burning now. But, when fire comes down from God out of heaven (Rev. 20:9), it will devour the wicked. They are completely destroyed. Satan himself will be consumed to ashes (see Eze. 28:17,18). They will not burn ceaselessly we know, for Isa. 47:14 says that the fire will burn itself out and there will not even be a coal to warm at. But there is more: Obadiah 16 lets us know that the wicked shall be as if they had not been. Lastly, 2 Pet. 3:12,13 lets us know that as I stated above, the old world shall be dissolved but God shall create a new heavens and earth. From these texts and thoughts it can be perceived that God is revealed as a God of love in that he terminates their punishment in due time - they are not in prolonged agony as some portray for the observation of the righteous. If they will be consumed as stubble, it certainly reveals that the burning will be relatively short for the wicked, not eternal torment. I love a God that will do this horrible task up speedily, and not prolong the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" beyond the time it takes to consume evil, but get on with the joys of eternal living.
 
It is also an abomination to God when His word is clear that we choose to follow tradtion instead of His word.
 
IBIJ2

I will not waste more of my time debating the exact same things as I have with your husband. You've tried to use Rev 21:22 to show the wicked get turned to ashes under someone's feet but that verse talks about nothing of the sort. Go figure that! I am not wasting more time on the others either. You go to chapter four of Revelation and learn about the saints of the church going to heaven before the Tribulation. Then you can reread the rest of Revelation and discover that there will be more saints during the Tribulation who most likely will become instant martyrs due to persecution never before seen on this planet of ours. I won't even comment on your insinuations that I do not read my bible. You have shown your true self.
 
~JEBUS

JEBUS
Here is some more - There is never a waste of time studing the Bible.
 
Yet you haven't brought one verse to show me that I am wrong.
 
The Bible speaks clearly on this topic, yet in contrast to Biblical teaching millions of people believe that the soul lives on after death, either in heaven, hell, purgatory, or reincarnated as another entity. Let us look at what the Bible says about death:
 
In Ezekiel 18:20 we are assured that souls can and do die: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." There is no mention whatsoever of an "immortal soul" in the Bible.
 
Look at what else the Bible says about what happens at death: "All that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." John 5:28, 29. "Davidââ0AC¦is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day." "For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34. "If I wait, the grave is mine house." Job 17:13. These texts show that people do not go either to heaven or hell at death. They go to their graves to await the resurrection day. David will be saved in God's kingdom. However, he is in his grave now, where he awaits the resurrection. "The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. "The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17. God says that the dead know absolutely nothing! "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21. "Neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:6. Though millions think it is possible, the dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalms 146:4). Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead "sleep" in John 11:11-14. How long will they sleep? "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more." Job 14:12. "The day of the Lord will comeââ0AC¦in the which the heavens shall pass away." 2 Peter 3:10. The dead will sleep until the great day of the Lord at the end of the world. In death, humans are totally unconscious with no activity or knowledge of any kind. Every person who ever died is in the grave, awaiting the resurrection which will occur when Jesus comes again very soon: "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12.
 
So the question is what will happen to the wicked who have rejected God's offer of mercy and salvation? Psalm 37:20 testifies, " But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Malachi 4:1, NIV states that the wicked will burn up: "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire, says the Lord Almighty. Not a root or a branch will be left to them."
 
Jesus Himself explained a parable about this very issue this way: "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:37-42.
 
One Bible writer puts it thus: "It is clear that that our Saviour said the tares represented the wicked people, and that they would be cast into the fire 'at the end of the world.' It was in the harvest that the separation would take place, and He plainly stated, 'The harvest is the end of the wor ld.' How can anyone misconstrue these words of Christ?
 
The whole idea of the wicked going into the fire at the time of death contradicts our Lord's specific teaching that they would be cast into the fire at the end of the world." (J. Crews, "Hell-fire"). Since the judgment also takes place after Christ comes, it would be impossible for anyone to be punished in hell before that time. Justice demands that a person be brought into judgment before being punished. Peter declared, "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished." 2 Peter 2:9. That certainly makes sense, doesn't it? Suppose a man should be brought into the court accused of stealing, and the judge said, "Put him away for ten years; then we'll try his case." Listen, even a human judge would not be that unfair! He would be impeached for such an action. Surely God would not be guilty of such a farce. If we let the Bible mean what it says, there can be no doubt on this point. The wicked are "reserved" until when? Until the "day of judgment." To be what? "To be punished"! This means they cannot be punished before that judgment day. Does the Bible tell where they are reserved until then? Chris t Himself said, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28, 29. (Ibid.) Well, some may ask, how about the many Biblical references to everlasting punishment? When Jesus spoke of everlasting punishment, He wasn't talking about everlasting punishing. Only the effects of the punishment are everlasting. Matthew 25:46, NIV, states of the wicked, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." You see, only the righteous obtain eternal life. The wicked do not suffer torment eternally. For example, Sodom and Gomorrah suffered eternal fire but they are not burning today. In Jude 7, NIV, we read, "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." The entire earth will be cleansed by fire. In 2 Peter 3:10, RSV, we read, "And then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up." The fire will be unquenchable, but when there is nothing left to burn it will go out. Matthew 3:12, NIV testifies of God, "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will clear His threshing floor, gathering the wheat into His barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Jeremiah 17:27, NIV says, "But if you do not obey Me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses." Revelation 20:15, NIV, shows who will be thrown into the lake of fire: "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Hell is an event not a place. Revelation 20:9, NIV, depicts it this way: "But fire came down from heaven and devoured them." The Bible is consistent with a just and fair God. What judge would sentence someone to everlasting torture for the sins of a brief lifetime? Surely God is more just and merciful than wayward man.
 
The doctrine of eternal torment is error that was introduced into the church as the church embraced the prevailing Greek ideas of the soul in the third and fourth centuries. Jesus spoke a parable illustrating this idea in Luke 16:22-23 where a rich man dies, is buried, and then is depicted in hell. When did the false teaching of an eternally burning hell originate? The answer to your second question is in the Garden of Eden. Satan, speaking through the serpent first formulated the false doctrine of immortality of the soul in Genesis 3:4 when he told Eve, "Ye shall not surely die". This false, although ancient, teaching is found in virtually all pagan religions, and it entered Christianity, with much controversy, in the third Century, along with other false teachings, such as Sunday sacredness (another pagan belief).
 
IBIJ2

And you also have a job?
 
Impressive.