In another thread DOORMAN said:
 
"The freedom to hang ourselves on this Misc BB is a good thing in some ways. But it can also be a negitive when certain individuals push the limits and drive others away. Which, I think has happened here . If someone was watching/working this site full time there would probly be more rules enforced and also more improvements to the site"

which got me thinking
 
Why is it that some of us who are the first to complain about "Government" per se, are also first to look for a government handout/bailout/legup when things don't go our own way ?
 

The problem lies with democracy . It does not work, at least not at a national level.
Yet , even local laws , drafted by locals, is not an answer, either. The itinerant nature of modern life would make compliance with local laws something of a nightmare.
So I don't know what the answer is.

 Here in the USA you have got the tea party movement.The main theme of this movement is less government and more fiscal discipline.Many of its members are outraged at the Health care act which is essentially nothing more than a "the health insurance industry can't deny individuals coverage anymore act"
 
I read an article several months ago and the demographics of the group are ,to a large extent senior citizens.Senior citizens here in the US get social security and Medicare, the 2 biggest government handout programs we have here in the USA.So I guess what they are really against is government helping anyone except them.Patriots they like to call themselves.Selfish Pigs is what I call them.

To be fair; The same could've been said {scroll for pic-caption}, of most Anyone, who happened to inherit, the incredible Mega-mess-legacy, that 'GW' left us. And, whom among the perceptive observers; And like several U.S. presidents, before him; Was merely 'doing-the-bidding' of various, behind-the-scenes powerbrokers; With their own narrow and selfish, Grand agendas!

First you write amazingly like Whitelightening.Second,Obama ,as you noted,inherited a mess from Bush.Still Obama has done a poor job in selling the American people on what he is trying to do.
 
Lastly, The republican party is a disgrace.The inherit a surplus from Clinton-blow it up in spectacular fashion and (BTW Clinton inherited a huge deficit from the Repubs when he took over)and have the bloody gaul to say they are the party of fiscal responsibility???????
 
Given that 20% of Americans believe Obama is a muslim (which proves to me we are largely a nation of idiots) Do the Repubs think we are all idiots or perhaps they feel that idiots make up the majority and thats all they need? November will be interesting to me.How stupid are we Americans? I'm pretty confident that the GOP will make significant gains based on fiscal responsibility which will prove to me that we are a nation of nitwits governed by nitwits etal

 
..this is another resaon I started this Thread.
 
The other night,I caught a few minutes of Letterman interviewing some guy about this group. While I don't know too much about their specfic issues (and won't get into a debate about their rights and wrongs, cuz it's not my country) it appears to me that they are a good example of what I'm talking about.

The tea Party movement is actually a positive thing in many respects.The USA needs a strong 3rd party because neither the dem's or rep's represent the country very well.
 
I just get irked at the hypocrisy of many of its members but I'm glad they are active

 
This thread needed a bump, and I don't really agree with this statement. It's clear from your posts that you aren't a bagger, but the idea that this movement is positive because people need to get involved needs commented on.
 
People are involved in thousands of positive movements in America, curing diseases, helping the homeless, or mentoring children, just to name a few. What happened with the tea baggers is that a large, but by no means majority, group has gotten together to spread fear, lies, hate and ignorance.
 
That plays much better on the nightly news than Americans helping Americans. So our media is constantly showing images of ridiculous signs, racists spitting on black congressmen, people yelling a disabled person about social security benefits, and old people wanting the government out of medicare.
 
Look at the candidates we get from this collection of nitwits:
 
Sharron Angle, believes that there are domestic enemies in the US Congress
 
Marg Barker wants concentration camps for illegals
 
Michelle Bachman
 
Sarah Palin
 
Pat Toomey thinks Wall Street needs less regulation
 
the list goes on and on........
 
 
--SoCo

I was waiting for you to cite some of your latest Michelle email instructions.
 

Is it even possible for you to be bringing less to the conversation?
 
--SoCo

bump

I think that it is very important that people get involved in politics and what politicians are doing.The approval rating of the US congress is 20% or so? I live in Pa.The state government is so corrupt here that if Al Capone was reincarnated he could run as a reformer and he would be.
 
I think the political system here in the USA is morally wrong and is extremely harmful to the public welfare. The only way we can end this corrupt system is thru a grassroots iniatives.
 
 
That is why I like the Tea Party movement.It is a protest against an unresponsive government.
 
There are certainly a lot of nutjobs running around the tea party but there are also plenty of nut jobs among the Dem's and Repub's as well.
Having said all this if Palin becomes President,I'll move to a more sensible society. (say Zimbawe or Zaire).Momma Grizzly is such a dim bulb that if one stuck a cattle prod up her ass I doubt if she would notice it.

 I agree. This is America and we choose our political leaders so informed choice makes more sense than uninformed.
 I don't think that is a trend we will see change for a long time. The country is so partisan that 40% disapprove of what congress is actually doing, 40% don't think congress is doing enough. We had the same numbers under the Bush administration, both Dems and Reps unhappy.
 No way! Where, if you don't mind me asking? I'm from WV.
 Bold, I completely disagree, but that is a bold statement. Our system allows us to evolve our government and our society. For some people, tea baggers, that change is too swift, and for others, progressives, that change is too slow, but our democracy has found ways to adapt itself to changing attitudes.
 
I would think there would be less corruption now, because of the speed at which information currently travels. There are more media outlets, following more stories and using more sophisticated technology. Remember that Jefferson appointed members of the press to his cabinet to ensure favorable press coverage and Honest Abe bought a newspaper. I think our current pols are under more scrutiny than those whose history has been revised to make them into saints.
 
--SoCo