I 'copy-and-pasted' what follows; By 'googling': Why does God allow people with disabilities {often severe}, to be born?!
.. It's merely "one, of 48,000" separate posts, and-or Web sites; Under that phrased question!
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009

"Why Would God Allow a Child to Be Born Like THAT?"

.. O asked while pointing to a teenage girl in a wheelchair with obvious severe physical and cognitive disabilities. This question struck me kind of odd coming from my oldest daughter's mouth while waiting for her own OT appointment to better learn how to perform ADLs independently. This was also the day after she got her final report from the genetics doctor that there was no "reason" for her disabilities.

O went on to explain that she had read in the Bible where it said that people were disabled because of the sins of their parents or because of their own sins. I was thankful she said this part in Russian because we were standing next to the family waiting to check in. "No, honey that's not right!" was all I could reply and indicated we would talk more later.

I've decided to translate for O a Bible study put out by Joni and Friends called "Hearts in Motion: A Four-Lesson Bible Study for Disability Awareness". I wept when I completed section two on knowing how God views disabilities. Scriptures to study include Psalm 139:13-16; I Samuel 16:7; Exodus 4:1-17, II Corinthians 12:9-10; James 1:2-4, 4:10; II Corinthians 4:7 and my favorite scripture John 9:1-3.

How many persons with disabilities can you name in the Bible? Moses was speech impaired, Leah was partially blind, Mephibosheth of royal blood was paralyzed when his nurse dropped him, Zaccheus had dwarfism, and there were many more! Why do you think God made mention of their disabilities?

I can't wait to help O view herself and others with disabilities with God's heart. After all, this body is just the outer garment we will all shed some day. What remains is what we have surrendered to God for molding and shaping.

"God displays His power and His character through individuals with disabilities, who are 'fully surrendered' to Him." Joni Eareckson Tada
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Left unsaid: If anything and everything, was 'Perfect'; Where are the opportunities for human character development, in that?!.. It has been said, that "Even roses {as beautiful as they are}, have thorns." 'wL' rhetorical, and 'borrowed' observation.

Sugar coating : describing cruelty and suffering as "infirmities".Has a nice rose coloured feel to it.
Blurring ; using the word allowing instead of creating. Gives the impression that its not God's fault.
Tell it how it is white lightning...
Why does a loving God [if there be one] create cruelty and suffering.
Hmm..a loving God wouldn't do that
So how about ,
Why would an evil God create cruelty and suffering ?
Because he's evil?
I think I hit the nail on the head.

Your reasoning {pennine}, for the most part, {and without you realizing it}; Made its own strong case, for the 'pov' which you so detest!

Btw; I noticed that you're keeping 'mum' Re. your other point of contention; Concerning my earlier usage {in another post}, of the word "tampon."

I can only surmise; But, perhaps like "albell"; You either didn't realize that 'tampon' was an actual word, and not a 'brand' name; Or that you didn't contemplate how it could've been appropriate; As per the 'ground-rules'?!

 It's not at all clear what you are trying to say.
My case is this.Only an evil God would have created evil.
 

You can’t create evil. Evil comes from the absence of good. Like dark is the absence of light.
 
Grandpa13

There was a good star-trek NG episode that I watched years ago. The ship visits a community of people that are the product of eugenics.
 
'No more bad poets' I recall in my mind as one of the more chilling quotes.
 
So Geordi, the otherwise blind chief engineer if were not for his high-tech visor, has to help them because their planet is having problems, and they need to rely on the technology that powers his visor to create some amplification pulse to stop some volcanic activity (i think...)
 
Lesson - people born with disabilities gives us a challenge to help them and there are returns to us. Why don't we have the technology to help blind people see, or for deaf people to hear? Or to reverse the damage to brain areas - should be easy with nano sensors implanted during development to alert and direct the development, or to rebuild like we repair roads in the cities - one day. One day we'll look at us now as primitive, like cave men with sticks and stones. We're getting there, and it's exciting. We're going to do it.

 
 
Well said!!. What I've seen over the past five years gives me nothing but optimism for the future in this regard. Among other things, I've met children who have had half their brain removed, who through intensive therapy, have managed to "train" the remaining half to assume many of the functions of the part removed; and I read recently that we'll seeing the first functional bionic eyes within the next 10 years. It's overwhelming.

 
 
I'm sorry but i'm not as tolerant as some . I don't give a rats ass what the F@ck is wrong with you all i know is your a idiot and a freak! Don't bother defending yourself it was just a stupid word /story game. Who cares . Your a bozo that can't fit in so don't bother to try. Just be the freak that you are and be happy and shut the f@ck up.
 
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It would appear that the opposing 'camp' can't agree, as to what frame-of-mind, to present {in a unified way}, to the 'spectating world,' {Ie. Circa, 98% of those who read these 'Caissa' posts; But choose Not to express their opinion}.
 
While 'DS' and "Spud" both admit to being 'starstruck' {in so many words}; To the march-of-
progress, {tech-wise}; Without addressing the tiny percentage of folks, who'll be able to afford these 'breakthrough' inventions; Poor "DOORMAN" is Still 'ticked' @ what I posted; As if it were a rebuke, to most of the things he stands for. Which, based on your crude 'lingo'; I don't doubt that, for a moment! --

Not so! You just don't know when to shut the F@ck up. If you interacted this way,in the real world, to people face to face(not the phycho ward your living in) repeated fat lips would adjust your behavior.
 
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I sense that what I'm saying, is somehow both exciting and inciting, the {word omitted; Though it begins with a 'd'}, within you, DOORMAN. In a not all that dissimilar fashion; As to when various servants of Christ {including to this day}, encountered people who were inhabited by 'wrong spirits.'
Maybe you should Stop reading {as in filtering}, my posts. For the sake of your own {albeit temporary}, 'peace-of-mind'!!
 
Ps. Incidentally, DOORMAN; In your rational moments, {assuming you still have some!?}; Wouldn't you at least be inclined to agree, that cussing and violence {upon encountering others with different 'povs'}; Is the last refuge, of the True scoundrel/idiot?!

WL
 
Your condition provides us with an explanation for your behaviour, it doesn't provide you with an excuse - it's a distinction that you wouldn't understand
 
Spud

Thank god you have christ to fall back on. Although that would'nt help if you were released would it. Don't worry be happy i am at peace with our interactions. Are you sure you are. I was just stateing the odvious.
 
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Aspergers Syndrome, aside "Spud"; And whether or not I actually have it, in most of its manifestations, {Ie. 'physically clumsy' I am Not; Though I do admit to Preferring to be socially introverted}; Doesn't that refer to, perhaps 15-to-20 percent of all people?!
 
.. That there is a major disconnect in 'understanding' between the 'believer' and the 'hard-core' doubter of such things; Will ALWAYS supercede, the disconnect, between the socially involved, and-or gregarious; And the asperger diagnosed person, imho!
 
Ps. If one admits to being socially introverted, and even 'ill-at-ease' in social/nominal stranger, social situations. Does it necessarily follow, that they have 'Aspergers'?; If so, I 'plead guilty.'

  I meant to say
Only an evil God, would create evil things. Or to put it your way..
Only an evil God would create an absence of good things.

 
I would imagine that when one arbitrarily and unilaterally dismisses "Satan" from the 'mix'; As people like yourself, would be almost guaranteed to do; Then it stands to reason, that your argument would make much more sense!
 
Considering, that the Bible {Old Testament}, makes mention of "Satan," and his 'underlings' numerous times; Not to mention, the hard-to- account-for cases {and case histories}, of exorcism {of demons} from people, from a purely physical perspective, throughout history; Your beginning premise {pennine}, That God {if there be One}, must therefore be Evil; Is flawed, on Two counts! -- Ie. Your agnostic {or even atheistic, belief}; And your presumed, arbitrary dismissal, of what Is in effect, a counterfeit god {small 'g'}; Who 'JC' referred to a number of times; Including, being: 'the father of all lies.'
 
Under your 'wished for' scenario {pennine}; By doing completely away, with 'Evil things' {as in, occurrences}; You would also eliminate the possibility of 'man' to choose an evil pathway, over good!
I'm reasonably sure, that that scenario, could be made into a somewhat interesting fictional novel, {with the 'right' author}; But it certainly does Not reflect {Ie. the absence of moral choice}, the world as we know it!!
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..The above, 'fyi'; Was All typed, from off-the-top of my "Asperger Syndrome" suspect {to some; many?}, head! --

You are ducking and weaving on this point, as all religious believers do, when they come out from their cocooned umbrella to defend the undefendable.
 I am not dismissing satan. My point is that God made Satan , and therefore God carries the responsibility for satan's actions. In plain language, God created an evil thing.
 What a load of bucking fullshit. That is such a stupid , childish moronic pathetic argument, I won't waste anymore time on it.
 A one word answer. Do you have this condition?

 
I'm imagining he'll go with "maybe"

I suspect {pennine} that your momentum {including 'closed mindedness'}, to that place {see below; And No, I Don't mean "Hell, Michigan"}; Is of such a speed... That Nothing I can typed-message answer you, for your hypothetical benefit; Will appreciably slow, your forward 'progress'!..{not to be confused, with "progress" in any positive sense-of-the-word}.
 
Ps.-For the record though; My prognostication {see above} Could be wrong; As in some future 'deathbed' {perhaps} conversion-epiphany; By a 'higher' angelic being'!?
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So to sum up this thread, the claim that God is loving was shown to be wrong. An evil God cannot also be a loving God except for those with one eye closed. Later today I'll post an excerpt from a film script, which is far more coherently spoken than I could ever be.