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Topic started by whiteLightning on 26 Mar 2010, 13:26:02
whiteLightning
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26 Mar 2010, 13:26:02
 
Listen .. and Perhaps You'll Learn Something 'SoCo'{!?}


SouthernComfort
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26 Mar 2010, 17:48:21
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Re: Listen .. and Perhaps You'll Learn Something 'SoCo'{!?}
From Skeptoid on the Global Conciousness Project:
 
The problem is that people outside their lab either fail to reach the same conclusions or find their methodology so flawed that it's pointless to even review the findings. They do publish what they call criticism on their web site, but it's mainly comments and suggestions from their associates. There is not a lot of published criticism of Global Consciousness out there to cite, and one reason is that their theory lacks consistent claims that are specific enough to be tested. Here are two fundamental questions that they must answer and have not:
 
What type of event qualifies as "significant"? They pick events themselves, without any defined criteria. When they choose an event, they fail to test if there are any other simultaneous events in other parts of the world that might override any effect. What happened in Ghana during the OJ Simpson trial? There are no controls over what types of event triggers an examination of the data, and no controls to eliminate prospective events due to conflicting events.
What type of effect in the data constitutes a result? Again, no criteria. They maintain no standards for what constitutes a correlation: whether it's a trough or a spike or some other type of anomaly; whether it should happen before, during, or after the event; how long before or after the event it should be found, or what the duration should be. In fact, their "results" are all over the map.
So, as they look for undefined results from undefined events, they still manage to make additional errors in their methodology. Here are some of the most flagrant:
 
The analysis is not blinded in any way. When something happens, they look at their data until they find patterns. Proper analysis would come from isolated statisticians with no reference indicating a timeline on the data, knowledge of what to look for, or knowledge of what world event is being matched.
They do not look for alternate causes of their data anomalies. Sunspots? Cell phone calls?
They make claims of specific numbers for how they beat chance. Clearly, it's impossible to have any meaningful metrics, given the lack of standards for scoring or choosing events.
They make no attempts to falsify their theory. They should be looking for alternate causes of the anomalies they claim to find in the output from their eggs, such as sunspots or electromagnetic interference from other devices. They should be looking for alternate or additional effects caused by human emotions, like errors in calculators or digital watches. Why not cell phones or toasters? If this effect is real, their eggs would not be the only things affected. Whenever a Global Consciousness event happens, there should be well known and well established failures of, or anomalies in, electric and/or computerized devices worldwide. It's improbable that these supposed effects would seek out and affect only one specific application of common hardware components used in many other devices. They do not look at other species besides humans whose emotions might be responsible for the effects. Why not dolphins or whales, or for that matter ants? Most of the living matter on earth is ants, and ants certainly have collective behavior. If collective consciousness did have a measurable affect on hardware, ants are the first place I would look.
 
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Stop falling for these scams and hoaxes. I went to the Global Consciousness website, and of course, there is a participate tab! Where you can use paypal to make a donation! Yippee!
 
At least Santa and the Tooth Fairy have the decency to LEAVE presents or money. Your hero scam artists only know how to take.
 
Global Conciousness? Seriously? Parapsychology? Seriously? Say these words outloud and think. It's one thing to have an open mind, but to accept without question is ridiculous.
 
People's thoughts influence a random number generator. Wow. Uberuseful. Where can I buy my "Idiot's guide to influencing random number generators" I have a lottery commission to visit!
 
--SoCo
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26 Mar 2010, 18:14:58
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Re: Listen .. and Perhaps You'll Learn Something 'SoCo'{!?}
SouthernComfort said:
...............................there is a participate tab! Where you can use paypal to make a donation! Yippee!
 
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder why.............