By that logic we lost our freedom when we left Saigon in 1972.
 
Over 4000 Americans died for NO REASON at all.
 
--SoCo

Where were you from 1965 - 1969? Out on the street corner with clinton throwing rock at us? Discipline? Loyalty? Strange words, even stranger beliefs.
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
Should the election go to the dems I truly hope you are NOT one of the 'smartest guys in the room'.

I'm not against the Military, Rapture. I have the utmost respect for our brave men and women who choose to serve our country. My father served in Veitnam and my grandfather served the Pacific theatre in WWII. I am against the idea that ANYWHERE they go and ANYTHING they do is sacrosaint and any questioning of the cause is unpatriotic.
 
We have made mistakes with the use of our military. Iraq was/is an unnecessary war. I'm not going to sugar coat the fact that we lost precious sons and daughters for the ego of a failed president, and an argument could be made of how that war actually hurts our national security.
 
--SoCo

 
Valid point, worthy of consideration.
 
I once saw a documnetary with an "old salt" soldier discussing the Korean Conflict and he was asked if the price we paid then (48,000) and what we have $$paid since then to maintain troops there was worth it. He paused, thought about it and answered "probably not,,,, no".
 
I for one, am no longer wanting ever to fight communism in someone else's country. there is no real purpose since communism is the best weapon at fighting communism you could ever invent.
 
just an opinion.

while you're at it, include afghanistan as a totally useless war. At least in our view, anyway.
 
why are we in there again....?
Oh yeah,,, to find Osama Bin Laden who WAS hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora, but is now hiding in the mountains of western Pakistan
 
But our troops did not redeploy when Osamam moved - hmmmmmm... and we keep fighting the Afghans,, why????? And the people in this country are not in the least bit suspicious???
I mean,, come ON!
 
The US invaded Afghanistan for purposes they will not reveal.
I believe I know what that purpose is, and it is obvious why they cannot let the american public know. But I will not reveal the reason because I cannot prove it and I don't want to open up a real can of worms.
 
All I will say is this,,, the US needed an EXCUSE to invade afghanistan - an excuse that would mask the REAL reason why we invaded and do so in popularist fashion.
 
certainly makes 9.11 look like the biggest false flag in the history of mankind.
 

 
EDIT: Oh, and you are correct in saying that these wars have hurt our national security - not helped it. since the iraq war, jihadist attacks are up some 300% last I checked.
 
if the people in this country ever knew,,, there would be a wilding.

Raptor¨s add is very well engineered, very efffective and with a great closing scene ( smart effort from BBDO or whoever is behind) but freedom is a very BIG word and very few wars thru human history were fought with that flag and were the good vrs evil was clear for a reasonable mind...
 
I agree with SoCo that nothing should be unquestionable specially when lives are on stake ( opponent , our men and specially the inocent people around the conflict) because history tell us that too many times hidden agendas were been camouflaged to look as a freedom quest and people is driven into endless conflicts where the only winner is greed...
 
It can still remember when a -near lunatic-North Korean president was insulting and threatening with nuclear technology to the US and the whole world at the same time another country was complying with UN demands...at that particular time...who was attacked??..hmmmmm very suspiscious don´t you think??
 

 
very.
 
I can prove, although at some length, that Bush and his admin KNEW that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons before the invasion,,, can PROVE it.
 
yet in he went, shoo-ing the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq because he did not want this to all end up in a "mushroom cloud", as Bush worded it,, waiting for the insepctors to find the nukes.
 
Oh, , yeah.
 
If anyone cannot see the LIES this man foisted on America to try to justify and popularise a US invasion, you are in DEEP DEEP denial.
 
and now americans will be subject to exterme prejudice and hate throughout thet world and can only watch as jihadist attacks increase three-fold on innocent people as a result.
 
Georege Bush, the biggest terrorist in the entire world.
 

Snoop:
 
Your thoughts are shared by hundreds of millions people all over the world...it makes you think and imagine how thing could be now if things were different i.e. counting a few nuled votes in Florida, having a different approach on the US Supreme Court on the appeals from the parties, making a better display or strategy from Al Gore??
 
...this days with all the communication net that we have you can feel* more than ever that one tiny movement from a person or a group of persons in one extreme of earth can affect others in remote places at the other side of the world!...like a ripple on water...specially if that person* is the president of the most influential ( for better and sometimes for worse) country on the world.

Wanna,
 
I am not 100% convinced that things would be any different had Kerry or Gore made it in.
 
first, when Kerry ran in 2004, come mid-summer when it had been proven that, by then, there were no WoMD in Iraq, Kerry - who is my homestate senator, BTW, was sked by the meida if he would have voted to support george bushe's invasion of Iraq, had he known then what he knows today.
 
Kerry's frank words to the media, were, yes, he would have supported Bush anyway. that was quite alarming.
 
within two days, the democrats brought in the Bill Clinton strategist team to take over Kerry's election from there, but the damage had already been done.
 
 
there is clearly something going on in Iraq that crosses party lines, although I cannot venture to say what it is. But I do get the feeling however, we are fighting someobody else's war.