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M8IN3 Founding Member United StatesPosts: 36
Reply | 30 Oct 2008, 13:54:45   Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama This guy says it all --perfectly ---I dont expect the Obama sheep to understand where he is coming from ...Most of his followers nay disciples have never really achieved anything and just want the gov't to do for them what they should be doing for themselves. An American businessman's letter to Obama Mr. Obama, Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself. While Joe aspires to start a business someday, I already have started not one, but 4 businesses. But first, let me introduce myself. You can call me "Cory the well driller". I am a 54 year old high school graduate. I didn't go to college like you, I was too ready to go "conquer the world" when I finished high school. 25 years ago at age 29, I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80's oil boom. I didn't get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. I borrowed what I could from my sister, my uncle, and even the pawn shop and managed to scrape together a homemade drill rig and a few tools to do my first job. My businesses did not start as a result of privilege. They are the result of my personal drive, personal ambition, self discipline, self reliance, and a determination to treat my customers fairly. From the very start my business provided one other (than myself) East Texan a full time job. I couldn't afford a backhoe the first few years (something every well drilling business had), so I and my helper had to dig the mud pits that are necessary for each and every job with hand shovels. I had to use my 10 year old, 1/2 ton pickup truck for my water tank truck (normally a job for at least a 2 ton truck). A year and a half after I started the business, I scraped together a 20% down payment to get a modest bank loan and bought a (28 year) old, worn out, slightly bigger drilling rig to allow me to drill the deeper water wells in my area. I spent the next few years drilling wells with the rig while simultaneously rebuilding it between jobs. Through these years I never knew from one month to the next if I would have any work or be able to pay the bills. I got behind on my income taxes one year, and spent the next two years paying that back (with penalty and interest) while keeping up with ongoing taxes. I got behind on my water well supply bill 2 different years (way behind the second time... $80,000.00), and spent over a year paying it back (each time) while continuing to pay for ongoing supplies C.O.D.. Of course, the personal stress endured through these experiences and years is hard to measure. I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all. I spent the next 10 years developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller in East Texas. 2 years along the way, I hired another full time employee for the drilling business so that we could provide full time water well pump service as well as the well drilling. Also, 3 years along the path, I bought a water well screen service machine from a friend, starting business # 2. 5 years later I made a business loan for $100,000.00 to build a new, higher production, computer controlled screen service machine. I had designed the machine myself, and it didn't work out for 3 years so I had to make the loan payments without the benefit of any added income from the new machine. No government program was there to help me with the payments, or to help me sleep at night as I lay awake wondering how I would solve my machine problems or pay my bills. Finally, after 3 years, I got the screen machine working properly, and that provided another full time job for an East Texan in the screen service business. 2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business. A couple of years into this, I came up with a bright idea for a new kind of mud pump, a fundamentally necessary pump used on water well drill rigs. I spent my entire life savings to date (just $30,000.00), building a prototype of the pump and took it to the national water well convention to show it off. Customers immediately started coming out of the woodworks to buy the pumps, but there was a problem. I had depleted my assets making the prototype, and nobody would make me a business loan to start production of the new pumps. With several deposits for pump orders in hand, and nowhere to go, I finally started applying for as many credit card as I could find and took cash withdrawals on these cards to the tune of over $150,000.00 (including modest loans from my dear sister and brother), to get this 3rd business going. Yes, once again, I had everything hanging over the line in an effort to start another business. I had never manufactured anything, and I had to design and bring into production a complex hydraulic machine from an untested prototype to a reliable production model (in six months). How many nights I lay awake wondering if I had just made the paramount mistake of my life I cannot tell you, but there were plenty. I managed to get the pumps into production, which immediately created another 2 full time jobs in East Texas. Some of the models in the first year suffered from quality issues due to the poor workmanship of one of my key suppliers, so I and an employee (another East Texan employed) had to drive across the country to repair customers' pumps, practically from coast to coast. I stood behind the product, and made payments to all the credit cards that had financed me (and my brother and sister). I spent the next 5 years improving and refining the product, building a reputation for the pump and the company, working to get the pump into drill rig manufacturers' product lines, and paying back credit cards. During all this time I continued to manage a growing water well business that was now operating 3 drill rig crews, and 2 well service crews. Also, the screen service business continued to grow. No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that's ok, I didn't expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me. Now, we have been manufacturing the mud pumps for 7 years, my combined businesses employ 32 full time employees, and distribute $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy. Now, just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months. This should work out, but if it doesn't it will be because you, and the other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our countrys' (and the world) economy with your meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages. You see, at the very time when I couldn't get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with Acorn and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit or worse yet, bad credit. Even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans. It's funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country. You see, Mr. Obama, I'm the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I'm the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I'm the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn't want to take a risk, and would not demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I'm the guy you characterize as "the Americans who can afford it the most" that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution "to spread the wealth" to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture. I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political career. What's worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominant liberal media, and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land. What is so terribly sad about this is this. America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self reliance, self motivation, self determination, self discipline, personal betterment, hard work, risk taking. A culture built around the concept that success was in reach of every able bodied American who would strive for it. Each year that less Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states. If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act on them. When people act on such ideals, they succeed. All of America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating. But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn't it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have got a vested interested in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever expanding dependence on government. What's remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn't need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life. You see, I know because I've had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days in a week, much less, 6 days. People always looking for a way to put less effort out. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I just would first pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices to apply to get free government handouts (gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?). You see, all of this comes from your entitlement mentality culture. Oh, I know you will say I am uncompassionate. Sorry, Mr. Obama, wrong again. You see, I've seen what the average percentage of your income has been given to charities over the years of 2000 to 2004 (ignoring the years you started running for office - can you pronounce "politically motivated"), you averaged less than 1% annually. And your running mate, Joe Biden, averaged less than ¼% of his annual income in charitable contributions over the last 10 years. Like so many liberals, the two of you want to give to the needy, just as long as it is someone else's money you are giving to them. I won't say what I have given to charities over the last 25 years, but the percentage is several times more than you and Joe Biden. combined (don't you just hate google?). Tell me again how you feel my pain. In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year. God help us... Cory Miller just a ordinary, extraordinary American, the way a lot of Americans used to be. P.S. Yes, Mr. Obama, I am a real American... www.cmillerdrilling.com |
SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 30 Oct 2008, 14:23:34 In reply to M8IN3 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama Mate,,, you, me, we all have to REALLY understand a liberal to know why this letter - this PERSON, is totally dismissed out of hand. Libreals want to CONTROL people, CONTROL them. that is why they love wealfare people and hate ambitious hard working people. Know your enemy, man. |
DOORMAN Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1069
Reply | 30 Oct 2008, 14:35:12   Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama What a bunch of $hit . That sure was a nice story. D |
RAPTOR Elite Member United StatesPosts: 1262
Reply | 30 Oct 2008, 15:00:36 In reply to DOORMAN Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama DOORMAN said: What a bunch of $hit . That sure was a nice story. OK 'bama sheep. Why don't you post a counter other that this. Let us read your first hand story from one of you successfully unemployed, untrained, homeless non job seeking entitlement receiving Obama supporters. |
simonarnesson Guest SwedenPosts: 11
Reply | 30 Oct 2008, 17:24:35 In reply to M8IN3 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama Sure this guy worked hard all his life but still, he repetedly took major risks with other peoples money. Hard work is one part of his succes story, chanse is another one. What about the ones who are not so lucky? There must be some kind of safty net to keep gamblers from hitting rock bottom teeth first. No civilised society can just leave their own to die in the gutter right? The ones who can provide the safty net are the ones whos life wont significantly change with the extra taxes. Call me a pessemist but I do not belive in such a thing as absolute independence. Flat tax is science fiction today and it should stay that way! ///Simon |
M8IN3 Founding Member United StatesPosts: 36
Reply | 31 Oct 2008, 13:00:28 In reply to simonarnesson Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama yeah you are a pesimist which is why you live in a socilist country --- your socialist gov't is taking chances with your money ??? At least this guy created jobs/ an invention/ PAID BACK THE MONEY HE BORROWED !!!!!!!!! Does your gov't or any gov't for that matter pay back the money they take from you !!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? NO!!!!!! They keep it ---- GET LOST YA DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The guy who wrote this letter is every liberals nightmare because he proves that the only way is through calculated risk, self reliance and self discipline and having the courage to try and try aagin when everyone around you is trying to knock you down (think liberals they are real good at it) All these idiots who are about to vote for BHO want him and the gov't to improve their standigng in life by taking (it) from someone else who earned it --- how is that going to help anyone in the long run? Half the country is under the spell of this liberal POS !!! if you think the last 8 years were bad --wait til this guy gets through with us ---they'll rename this country new France --- God help us |
SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 31 Oct 2008, 14:08:21 In reply to M8IN3 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama M8IN3 said: if you think the last 8 years were bad --wait til this guy gets through with us ---they'll rename this country new France --- God help us MATE,,,, libs/socialists/communists,,, they don't CARE about the "wealth of the nation". they only care about the equal distribution of wealth with whatever size "pie" you have left to slice up. Look at the people of Cuba and North Korea, and back in the day, all communsit nations. IMPOVERISHED. Check out this Height Gap factoid, evidence of the wrongful effect a "redistribution" government has on the economy and health and wellbeing of the people under said government .... "And then he [McCain] summoned a bizarre statistic, saying that the average South Korean is three inches taller than the average North Korean. Mr. McCain is correct that there appears to be a growing gap in height between North and South Koreans, likely due to poor nutrition and impoverished living conditions" Now, if that is not enough to make the North Koreans revolt, I really do not know what is. communists are a differnt "breed",, really. |
simonarnesson Guest SwedenPosts: 11
Reply | 1 Nov 2008, 21:31:03 In reply to M8IN3 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama M8IN3 said: Does your gov't or any gov't for that matter pay back the money they take from you !!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? NO!!!!!! I will obviusly never see the actuall bills and coins again, but: - I have spent 12 years in school - 3 semesters in a university payed by the government, atleast 7 more are comming - several visits to hospital and clinics practicly free of charge - free dental services and yearly check ups until my 20th birthday - I have been to the library more then a few times - frequently made use of the infrastructure, and everything I have ever consumed have been transported on roads (and rails) founded by the government - once there was a fire in my appartment complex and firefighters keept it from spreading to my place - police keep criminals of my back - when I did military service I could travel on local (and some long distance) busses and trains for free Bottom line being tax money founds services you are using, indirectly the government are paying you back (to some extent). I didnt mean that the man who wrote the letter did a bad thing taking those risks, he obviously created something great and deserves credit for it. what I ment was that he could easily had a large unexpected expence inflicted on him while he was maxing out those credit cards (calculated risk my a$$). Are you saying that if he went broke you would rather see him starve than have some tax money help him get back on his feet no matter how little he deserves it?? Ofcourse wellfare cant be handed out to anyone claiming to be bad off, it must come with a demand that the recieving part makes a active effort to get his life back on track. It has been well documented that communism doesnt work but from where Im standing a small socialistic influence is only beneficial to a nation. ///Simon |
SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 1 Nov 2008, 22:23:17 In reply to simonarnesson Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama just a curiosity Simon,, your avatar does not suggest a person with only three semesters in college. can I assume that is not you...? some football star...? anyway, welcome in. Edited on 1 Nov 2008 at 23:13:21 |
RAPTOR Elite Member United StatesPosts: 1262
Reply | 1 Nov 2008, 22:44:49 In reply to simonarnesson Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama It sound like a great country. I for one am just a little jealous. I think the your system works so well maybe because of the population. What is it today? Around 10 million? I think there is more cab drivers in NYC than comprises the entire population of Sweden. NYC alone and surrounding cities/towns have a little more than 16 million. Greater Seattle boasts around 14 million. Please do NOT misunderstand,,, I am not bragging about the size of this country in any way shape or form. Your system would never work here. Just a thought in my UNeducated guess. Edited on 1 Nov 2008 at 23:38:05 |
simonarnesson Guest SwedenPosts: 11
Reply | 2 Nov 2008, 03:10:58   Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama snoop: gold star awarded for detective skills Bo Larsson was active 1966-1979 and is the brightest shining star from the past glory days of the football club "Malmö FF". His achivments include scoring 119 goals for Malmö FF, 17 goals for the Swedish national team and being an amazing athleate while smoking a pack of cigarettes each day. Raptor: I dont think the number of citizens has much to do with if a systems works or not, France and Canada are countrys of reasonable size were political values traditionally are further to the left then your own. They seem to do fine. However I could imagine that size would cause problems in a theoretical transition period, making such a change unacceptably painful and expencive. Even if you would decide that the changes are in your best interest now is probably not the best time. Initiating major social economical changes in the middle of a financial crisis .... Sweden has a population just over 9 million, are you saying that 50 % of New Yorkers work as cab drivers? ///Simon Edited on 2 Nov 2008 at 03:47:51 |
SouthernComfort Elite Member United StatesPosts: 430
Reply | 2 Nov 2008, 20:54:42 In reply to simonarnesson Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama simonarnesson said: France and Canada are countrys of reasonable size were political values traditionally are further to the left then your own. They seem to do fine. Oh god, the ridiculous right will have a field day with that. Thank you Simon, for demonstrating a greater capacity for your second language, than most of us Americans do with our first. Thanks also for responding reasonably and coherently to a raving American lunatic who ended one sentence with 10 exclamation points and question marks. What's wrong with America is that some Americans refuse to believe that they are interdependent on anyone. They have allowed their individualism and ego to consume all rational thought about humans helping other humans. They see the poor and destitute as lazy and a drain on their resources. Thankfully, those Americans will be proven to be in the minority on Tuesday. --SoCo |
NevadaMaster Senior Member United StatesPosts: 138
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 04:21:46 In reply to M8IN3 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama Wow, just back from out of town, and already there's home work! I can answer your question/book without taking up everyone's time. A tax cut is not a government handout, and if you think it is, why support McCain? They are both offering tax cuts, just to different people. I could tell you a long story about how I had to take care of my sick mother at age 15, leaving high school, but still managed to earn a B.S. in physics, and am on my way to a Phd. in astrophysics, and also pursuing on the side a career as a classical pianist/composer. But it would mean very little, because it has nothing to do with who is elected tomorrow. You just told us all, in detail I might add, about your last 25 or so years in business. That's 8 years of George W. Bush, 8 years of Bill Clinton, 4 years of George H. W. Bush, and 5 years of Ronald Reagan. Obama is proposing to go back to the tax levels of Bill Clinton, that's all! In the meantime, perhaps you should read up on the thoughts of Warren Buffet. You know him don't you? He's the business man worth billions of dollars who is backing Obama.
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SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 04:29:27 In reply to NevadaMaster Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama welcome back nevada, Buffet is a strage dude,, I have no problem with people doing what buffet is doing,,, leaving all his money to the government in his will - that is voluntary. waht I have a problem with is the government taking all of people's money at the point of a gun. that is not vountary, and is generally called "stealing". yeah, with what the government does with our money, that aould be the last people I would leave my money to. |
NevadaMaster Senior Member United StatesPosts: 138
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 05:03:19 In reply to SnoopDog176 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama Well Snoop, the fact remains, you do have to pay taxes. It's just a fact. If someone says, "I don't like Obama because he's going to make me pay taxes", then you obviously don't like anybody. Even Ron Paul is not suggesting that you pay no taxes! I do find it silly however when people try to pretend that Obama's tax plan so out there. It's like, "Oh my God, this man is crazy!" It's all nonsense. Trust me, the rich are still going to be rich. Most of the people you here moaning about his plan won't even have their taxes raised. Some people seriously need to chill. It's not the end of the world folks, calm down!
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DOORMAN Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1069
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 05:17:16 In reply to NevadaMaster Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama NevadaMaster said: Some people seriously need to chill. It's not the end of the world folks, calm down! What the H@ll ? End of the world just look at the bull$hit were in now? How can reasonable Repubs not be outraged at the Bozos that have lead them down the toilet. If this @sshole was in charge of my company he would be so F@cking fired! Ok Maccain is the Guy to Straighten it out for you Repubs? Are you serious? I might have thought so until he started b&tt sucking Bush/Cheneny ... And the Palen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rOCDG_btk D |
SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 05:21:24 In reply to NevadaMaster Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama well, Nevada,,, just because nobody has ever tried a completely volunteer tax system does not mean it won't work. America is a funny country and has some great volunteers and some very benevolent philanthropists. I would imagine that if we were being bombed by China that large donations from wealthy people to the government could be expected, as well as many smaller donations from average earners. I know one thing, I would never worry about it because there is nothing that I get from government that they can threaten me with taking it away,lest I pay them taxes. But of course, why would they give me anything when that defeats the purpose of taking my money in the 1st place? the problem with taxation is, once you tell the government they have full authority to make the taxes as high as THEY want and they can do whatever they want to people who don't pay their taxes,,, all of a sudden, they have 10 million "Worthy" projects being proposed that THEY deem necessary and the perfect justification as to why our taxes are going up. Look at Obama,, am I to believe with this governments revenue flow that he HAS to go up on taxes, ?? No,, he just enjoys it, like all power pigs, that's all. |
DOORMAN Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1069
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 05:39:37 In reply to SnoopDog176 Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama SnoopDog176 said: just because nobody has ever tried a completely volunteer tax system does not mean it won't work. Really? Volunteer tax System? Ok sign me up. D |
NevadaMaster Senior Member United StatesPosts: 138
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 05:49:04 In reply to DOORMAN Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama Doorman, I was not talking about republicans, I was talking about the right wing loons that are so "afraid" of Obama.
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SnoopDog176 Senior Member Occupied Palestinian TerritoryPosts: 918
Reply | 4 Nov 2008, 13:46:10 In reply to DOORMAN Re: Attention: Obama Sheep: American Businessman's letter to Obama sign on the dotted line, vote libertarian. I am NOT saying that is one of their party planks because I don't think that even libertarians beleive that "vilunteer taxation" is possible. but I do., |
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