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Topic started by ZENknight on 4 Oct 2008, 21:27:38
ZENknight
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4 Oct 2008, 21:27:38
 
..'Where The Worm, Dieth Not' ... {'web'-linked; Re. an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some}
SnoopDog176
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4 Oct 2008, 22:21:51
 
Re: ..'Where The Worm, Dieth Not' ... {'web'-linked; Re. an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some}

"an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some"
 
I experienced that just trying to read the title
 
you should have used more {{}}'s to clear it up!
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4 Oct 2008, 23:37:29
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Re: ..'Where The Worm, Dieth Not' ... {'web'-linked; Re. an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some}
Hi Zen
 
I've got 2 quesitons for you.
 
Malachi 4
1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things," says the LORD Almighty.
 
QUESTION:
Can you tell me about these "ashes under the soles of your feet" which refer to those who do not have "root or branch" left but instead only "stubble" remains?
 
2 Peter 2
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment...
 
QUESTION:
Since Sodom and Gomorrah are clearly established as examples of what will happen to the wicked would it not be logical that they would be burning to this very day which would support the idea of an eternal hell? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they are burning today. Therefore, what is the logical conclusion waiting for those who choose not to believe and follow Jesus Christ as their risen Savior and Lord for the rest of their lives?
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ
Edited on 4 Oct 2008 at 23:38:07
ZENknight
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5 Oct 2008, 00:41:37
 
Re: ..'Where The Worm, Dieth Not' ... {'web'-linked; Re. an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some}
This, I Do know, 'IBIJ'; when the 'NCAA' Division I, 2008 college football season draws to its regular season's end; the Univ. of Alabama, "Crimson Tide" football team, Will be in the 'thick' of the 'BCS' 4 team, quarter-finals race, for Number 1!
 
Seriously though, you raised several good points, to which there is obviously an answer, in God's All-knowing mind; as opposed to His 'Word'; which, in a few select areas, means different things to different people; even among believing members, of the {mystical} 'Body-of-Christ'!!
 
In so many words; since I'm nowhere near, to being the world's greatest 'apologetics' scholar of the Old & New Testament; any more, than I suspect You are 'IBIJ'; I'll take a 'pass' on your questions; because, assuming a comprehensive set of rebuttle {to you} answers, Are 'out there'; it would require more time than I'm willing to invest!; esp. considering, that despite some hints of yours, to the contrary; I do Not view myself, as being {a-hem}, Hell-bound!
 
But, be that as it may, 'IBIJ'; I'd {truly} be interested, on what You interpret this 'cut & paste' Scripture passage,{see below}, Re., 'the worm that dieth Not"!?; ie. If 'the worm' isn't alluding to the {eternal} human soul; then what in 'heaven's name,' Is It, referring to?!
 
 
The hottest sermon on hell that you will ever read is here - there are more blazes and flames in these few verses than in any passage of scripture from Genesis to Revelation and Jesus is the preacher: "If thy hand offend thee cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: There, their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, that having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched, where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:43-48).
IBelieveInJesus
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5 Oct 2008, 01:17:35
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Re: ..'Where The Worm, Dieth Not' ... {'web'-linked; Re. an 'everlasting' Hell, & torment, for some}
Hi Zen
 
Given your response, should I conclude that when presented with clear Scripture not hermanutics or apologtics (spelling is not my forte) that you would be unwilling to respond while wanting a response to Scriptural passages for which you raise your own banner high?
 
That seems a bit "out-of-balance" to me. At any rate, let's take a look at your passage.
 
However, before doing so may I point out that the best interpreter of Scripture IS Scripture. With that being the case when presented with challenging verses one solution is to read other verses related to that verse in an attempt to bring clarity upon a matter. The logical conclusion of this priciple would bring us right back to the verses I've already brought forward where an answer is quite equally deserved and desired.
 
Now to your verse...
 
Do you really believe there will be numerous people in Heaven that are...
 
* missing feet?
* missing hands?
* missing eyes?
 
Or is this an analogy/parable which is being given.
 
If it's not an analogy/parable then why aren't there people today who are cutting off limbs as a result of this verse?
 
If it is an analogy/parable then "where worm does not die" would be just as much an illustration of a point as "missing body parts" would be.
 
Further, this is a passage where Jesus is found teaching His disciples. Often what He finds Himself teaching His disciples about are illustrations that left the rest confused and confounded. The reason for this is clear according to God's Word.
 
Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, " 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ