Today Sen. Clinton asked that Sen. Obama be nomitaed the presidential candidate for the Democratic Party by acclamation. It is a historic day today.

I am surprised to see that Obama didn't have one of those tragic accidents so that Hillary could be nominated by her own proclamation
 
then again, I am a cynic

Sadly, I am not convinced this country is ready to elect an African american man president. However, considering the condition of this country and the staggering incompetence of his opponent, circumstances may prove me wrong. We can always hope...

White men have been screwing up this country since they stole it away from the Indians. Why not give someone else a try?
 
pazuzu

I don't think "black" is the issue or Hillary would have been a shoe-in for the nomination. that is what people expected oh-so-long-ago, anyway.
 
Obama lives or dies by his politics, IMO.
 
he also is up against the "powers to be" that want America to continue to invade the world. and yes, they are extremely influential
 

It has been asserted in several quarters, {ie. Michael Savage {on the 'Web'}, worldnetdaily.com & Steven Quayle..{also, on the Web}, among others; that for the past {circa} 45-50 years, both major parties nominees, are merely "front men" for the supposed 'Real Powers,' working largely "behind the scenes"; one of which, is the technically 'Non-{U.S.} governmental, "Federal Reserve Board"; along with various powerful 'special-interests' that prefer the U.S. immigration policies,
remain mostly 'toothless'... which Both Msrs. McCain & Obama, have similar {immigration} views on{!?} ..
 
Ps. Thankfully, I'll be about ready to 'check out,' when the USA reaches the 400 mil. people mark; as I'll turn 58 in Feb.

I wouldn't doubt any of that, MU.
 
if you know anything about the Bilderberg group [link], you will see that they are quite real, and both hillary and bill clinton have ben to their "secret" meetings before. high ranking repubs have, too.
 
and I truly do believe that whoever the american president is, he is just a front man for at least one such group.
 
it should be obvious with Bush's invasions, attacking afghanistan and Iraq were done on trumped-up charges and benefit america in NO WAY.
 
but such is life.
 
Oh, and PS: right back at you, I turn 58 about a month before you

Has anyone looked at the news that we are living longer these days... given that both of you are only recently past 1/2 your life with the majority of the remaining half still ahead. I'm not sure where your planning to go so quickly.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

Re. what 'IBIJ', said: Your simple arithmetic, 'IBIJ'!; Review what you posted in reference to our volunteered, very close-in-age proximities, and compare it with the known life expectancies for Most men; and common sense should dictate that your simple math conclusions, are in error.
 
.. Especially for people like myself, who don't have the diet willpower, to walk or bike around, without a respectable 'potbelly'; with the below- average life-spans, that usually accompany people who like their twinkies, fries and chocolate-malts! ..{No, that does Not constitute my total diet}.

hell yeah,,,,, my gauge says 3/4 empty
 

More and more individuals are living to near 100 these days, though I will agree that lifestyle choices play a huge factor in this equation. Perhaps that's why the National Geographic pronounced Adventist as one of the 3 longest living groups in the world. Given that, at least you can trust that you won't be getting rid of me any time soon. :)
 
Cheers
IBIJ

As they say, only the good die young.
 
pazuzu

We have been ready to elect a Black president for the last 20 twenty years. I am not so sure we are willing to elect a Black extreme left wing (as verified by his Senate voting record) socialist.
 
Did you really listen to his DNC acceptance speach? He sounded like ...well a Republican: free enterprise, less governemrnt intervention --- going to lower taxes?! When was the last time you heard a socialist liberal talk about any of these points? (in positive terms) He is borrowing a page right out of the Clinton playbook --- play the centralist role, even moderate right wing if you have to, in order to get the the all important undecided voters.
 
Many voters would turn and run in the other direction, if he really discussed the things that matter to him: higher taxes/ social governemnt welfare programs, universal healthcare and the systematic destruction of the US military. Basically modeling the US after every liberals wet dream: Europe.
 
I say No merci beaucoup Monsieur Obama ---

 
I always get a chuckle when my Republican friends try to apologize for George W Bush by asking without a trace of irony, "Well would you rather go back to when Clinton was President?!"
 
Well yes, yes I would. Let's see under Clinton:
 
$1/gal. gas. Check.
Low taxes on middle class. Check.
Strong US currency worlswide. Check.
Rising home values. Check.
Low interest rates. Check.
$200 billion budget surplus. Check.
Record low unemployment. Check.
Record high job creation. Check.
Booming stock market. Check.
Low food prices. Check.
 
I could go on.
 
So even if you don't like clinton persoanlly, at least he delivered for the middle class.
 
Posted by greenjeans, proud member of the reality-based community for over 30 years!
 

That's why ideally, this country could Really Use a "Ross Perot," type, 'tell-it-like-it-is' strong & viable third-party; since Both the 'Dems' & 'Repubs' {my abbreviation}, are working with 'cooked' figures; where the future obligations of most {or perhaps, all} federal-entitlement-programs
{Social {in}Security for starters}, are Not counted against the supposed, U.S. "federal surplus"; which has since been made much worse, with 'GW's Iraq war, still being treated as an 'off-the-books' financial obligation; along with the latest, "Fannie Mae" and "Bear Stearns," {investment 'lottery' banks}, and their gov't billion$, in financial bailouts.
 
You gotta 'love' Federal Reserve Board chairman's, Bernanke's attitude; 'Hell, we'll just rev-up the currency printing presses, inflation, be damned'!
.. Incidentally, I read some months ago, on Steven Quayle's, authoritive Web site; that for the past 18 mos. or so, the US Federal Reserve {'Bank'}, has secretly & unilaterally, moved its currency printing presses to South Korea; where the wages for doing that sort of work are both lower, and more "out-of-sight, out-of-mind"{!?!}

well then, you have to be happy with Ron Barr, the Libertarian. I know I am.
 
Also, the repub from Texas is also good. "Dr. NO" - can't recall his name. He also ran for president as a libertarin.
 
the reason why the party keeps losing leaders to the repubs is, the libertarians refuse to take federal funding for their elections/candidates and bigwig party members AS THEY SHOULD.
 
And on a lesser note, former massachusetts governor, R. Bill Weld, was also a Libertarian.
 
so their own principles of non-theivery from federal tax payers tend to sink them - basically because Americans can no longer appreciate a non-thief.
 
true story

What is wrong with Universal Health care? I find the USA healthcare system barbaric and on a par with third world countries.As long as you are working fine but if you become unemployed and are in bad health you are totally screwed.
How can that be fair? All US citizens should have access to affordable health care period.

you gotta give to get, yaman.
like anything the feds touch, health care will become something they milk to death.
 
you can make the same argument for social security,,,, if we did not have a retirement program for people, they'd be screwed.
 
but the truth of the matter is, the republocrats stole that money long ago, and replaced it with worthless IOU's.
 
So it is not that the idea is bad, it is giving that kind of POWER to worthless, criminal scumballs is suicidal for Americans.
 
Did you see how america errupeted over the Enron scandle...?
 
I have to laugh!
 
Enron is a peehole in the snowbank compare to the SS scandle. Yet nobody revolts. everyone is convinced, "They'll protect us in the end"
 
and BTW, before the government tinkered with health care, it was acutally fairly cheap. Now that the government is involved, EVERYBODY including docotrs and drug companies bribing doctors to pump things like oxyconton, are miliking the system for everyting they can steal. That's why we have a healthcare problem in America, as far as I am concerned.
 
when you think of money to steal from the health care system, think "Hillary Clinton". that is the type of thieving scumball that wants to control the healthcare rackets.
 
'Nuff said.

sheesh, It's been almost 8 years and people are still fantasizing about Clinton's c()ck?
 
pazuzu

Look I can't argue that government isn't corrupt.Of course it is.BUT American's shouldn't be dying because they lack access to healthcare.Make Universal Health insurance available to every citizen who wants it and make it affordable.
 
The issue of corruption is simple.Make the penalties so draconian that the crooks will be afraid to steal.I don't like the Saudi's but nothing wrong with chopping of the arms of political thieves etal.