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Topic started by HALLofMIRRORS on 31 Jul 2008, 01:25:45
HALLofMIRRORS
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31 Jul 2008, 01:25:45
 
The Supposed Insignifigance {by some} of Our Galaxy, In Relation To The Universe, etc.
In a recent post, "grevillea" said.. in so many words, that because our galaxy {the "Milky Way"} is far exceeded in size by our universe... that it therefore correlates that there's a connection between size and signifigance, in terms of importance; with us Very smallish, {by comparison}, humans, at the proverbial "low end of the totem pole."
 
This, to my mind, is merely another example, {and an illustrative one, at that!}, of 'fallen' mans' wisdom, paling in comparison to God's Wisdom!
 
Perhaps at least some of you, didn't know that the {inspired} Bible {Proverbs, chapter 6, vs. 6-9} saw fit to mention the tiny ant, as an object lesson!
 
6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
 
7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
 
8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
 
9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
When will you get up from your sleep? {a figurative reference, it seems, to atheists, agnostics, and idolaters; referring to their spiritual stupor.. of either, Denial, or 'Don't Know'{?}

.. ergo, if the "ant" can serve God's purpose as an 'object lesson,' in 'His Word'; then objectively speaking, Even the "ant" is Neither too tiny, nor insignifigant, in the 'Mind-of-God,' to Not merit its' mention! .. and given that that be the case, what must it say about us humans{?!}..among many other {Bible} passages!? {rhetorical}
 
 
 
grevillea
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31 Jul 2008, 02:19:16
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Re: The Supposed Insignifigance {by some} of Our Galaxy, In Relation To The Universe, etc.
The bible is wrong to say that ants have no overseer or ruler. The bible is wrong about a lot of things, and has absolutely nothing at all to say about most things. It's prophecies are coincidental chance, or completely fabricated after the event.The story of Jesus is a classic example. His coming was written of in the old testament, then written about in the new testament, well after he was supposed to have died.No one wrote about him at the time of his life. I compare this to the Catholic church, with it's process of declaring someone to be a saint. They wait until all living witnesses have died, then x is declared a saint. No risk then of someone coming forward to say that x was really a fraud. Same thing with jesus. The bible can make any claim about his life, because there is no one living to deny those claims. Personally, I don't think jesus existed. That is not to say that his christian teachings don't have merit. It's possible for me to live a christian life while still being a rusted on atheist.I just did not get sucked into this god delusion, which it so clearly and obviously is.
HALLofMIRRORS
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31 Jul 2008, 04:43:39
 
Re: The Supposed Insignifigance {by some} of Our Galaxy, In Relation To The Universe, etc.
"grevillea," said: The bible is wrong to say that ants have no overseer or ruler, ...
 
'HoM' replies: To address the initial statement of yours only, {its been a long day}, I'm No "ant" expert, as I assume you aren't either; but after 'googling' what the "MSN encarta encyclopedia" has to say about "ants," the Bible, 'imho,' Still has Yet to be refuted, in its "ant" statement, vis-a-vis, 'grevillea's, naysaying.
 
Apparently, each and every ant, {regardless of its species} have their own biologically coded-in, work responsibility; whether it be one, or several.
 
Notice that we're talking about the singular form of the word, as it relates to 'ant' "overseer" or "ruler"; which isn't to say that they don't have several to many, 'Job-Specific' overseerers or rulers! {plural, form}; and I suppose that even that statement can be brought {possibly} into further qualification, and-or dispute, depending on whether or not, ants observe the 'lead-follow' method of behavior; that quite possibly is their learning method; that has, No One, 'lead-by-
-example' {if you will}, job-specific, 'head' ant'; but, perhaps many{!?}..Remember, I'm Not an "ant" expert; but I like to think that I Can form intelligent extrapolations, from relevant {on-line} sources!
 
One final point, you might think that the "Queen ant," regardless of what species {of ants} we're discussing, would logically qualify as being an ant colony's singular "ruler" or "overseer".. {as the Bible makes reference to, the absence of such, amongst ants}; Perhaps surprisingly, Not So! ..since according to the 'MSN encarta' entry, Re. the "Queen ant"; It Too, is dependent on 'lesser' ants {my term}, for its sustenance!; see, the short 'copy & paste' entry, below.
 
A queen ant is typically surrounded by a multitude of workers, who lick her to keep her clean and feed her through trophallaxis. Worker ants also continually lick and feed one another. Workers will carry one another on certain occasions, such as when an inexperienced worker must be transported to a new nest. All species of ants keep their nests in good repair and keep them clean by removing debris, such as empty cocoons. They place this refuse outside the nest or in a special chamber.
 
{Ps. No offense to any quadraplegics out there; but since a "queen ant's" dependence on 'lower-caste' "worker ants," Does Have a certain analogy, to a country, let's say, having a quadraplegic as its {top} "ruler"; then a case Can be made, that this supposed leadership-role,
is, to an unspecified extent, 'in-name-only'!; Ergo, there's No Singular, "ruler" or "overseer," ant... the Bible remains exhonerated!}. ..
 
SouthernComfort
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31 Jul 2008, 15:45:27
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Re: The Supposed Insignifigance {by some} of Our Galaxy, In Relation To The Universe, etc.
HALLofMIRRORS said:
{Ps. No offense to any quadraplegics out there; but since a "queen ant's" dependence on 'lower-caste' "worker ants," Does Have a certain analogy, to a country, let's say, having a quadraplegic as its {top} "ruler"; then a case Can be made, that this supposed leadership-role,
is, to an unspecified extent, 'in-name-only'!; Ergo, there's No Singular, "ruler" or "overseer," ant... the Bible remains exhonerated!}. ..
 
That is, without a doubt, in the top five of stupidest things I have ever read.
 
I really can't stop laughing.
 
--SoCo
TrencherKnight
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1 Aug 2008, 02:08:36
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Re: The Supposed Insignifigance {by some} of Our Galaxy, In Relation To The Universe, etc.
Yeah, keep reading, I'm sure there's more to come that'll rate above it.
 

Tknight