Chessplayer often knows that game is over.
Some ecologists here in Finland think that the game of life is over.
The most difficult problems are overpopulation, gigantous industrial production of needless things, combustion of fossile fuels and additional huge usage of natural resources...
However there are (naive) optimists. They believe that life can be saved, if we finish using fossile fuels and industrial production. Wise livings should be agriculture, fishing and hunting. They also think that the planet Earth feeds on about 2 000 000 000 humans.
Though many chess players suspect that the defeat of life is one queen...

 
I imagine a lot of married guys feel the same way.
 
pazuzu

I figure that what the Bible says Re. this subject, {even though it be a 'copy & paste'}, is worth At Least as much, as what any secular-based thinking on this matter is! .. {from, lastdaysinfo.com}
 
When is the New Heaven and a New Earth Created?
 
You have heard it said that the ‘new heaven and the new earth’ will be created after the 1,000-year reign of Christ. But, what does Scripture say?
 
"Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more. "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the works of their hands. They will not toil in vain or bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by Yahweh, they and their descendants with them. Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says Yahweh (Isaiah 65:17-25).
 
Isaiah writes that ‘the new heavens and the new earth’ will be created when the Millennial Kingdom comes upon the earth.
 
The Millennial Kingdom is:
 
· The 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth.
 
· The coming age of Righteousness.
 
· The Millennium.
 
· The Kingdom of God come on Earth.
 
· When there is no longer any curse.
 
· When the creation has been restored.
 
"And I, because of their actions and their imaginations, am about to come and gather all nations and tongues, and they will come and see my glory. "I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations--to Tarshish, to the Libyans and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. And they will bring all your brothers, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to Yahweh--on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels," says Yahweh. "They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of Yahweh in ceremonially clean vessels. And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites," says Yahweh. "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares Yahweh, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says Yahweh. "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind" (Isaiah 66:18-24).
 
Here Isaiah describes ‘the new heavens and the new earth’ being created following the rebellion and the battle of Armageddon.
 
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness (2 Peter 3:10:13).
 
The Apostle Peter connects the ‘new heaven and a new earth’ with the coming ‘Day of the Lord’ and ‘the home of righteousness’ which will be in the Millennial Kingdom. Therefore, when the day of the Lord comes the ‘new heavens and the new earth’ will be created.
 
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long. He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick, by man's measurement, which the angel was using. The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass. I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever (Revelation 21:1 –22:5).
 
Revelation provides many indications that the ‘new heaven and the new earth’ will come at the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom when everything is restored.
 
We also know that when Christ comes on the Day of the Lord, that He will be united with His bride the Church and they will reign on earth for a 1,000 years. When Christ returns, we will see His face. Therefore, the ‘new heaven and the new earth’ will come at Christ return and the Church will reign on earth for ever and ever.

all living species have one thing in common, the innate will to survive.
 
if humankind can't make it, w'll at least give it one heck of a try.
 

'SnoopDog' said: all living species have one thing in common, the innate will to survive.
 
.. Unless, of course, one happens to be a "suicide bomber," 'front-loader' equipment driver on a revenge-minded rampage; what in God's name will they think of next!? ..

Hom, you are such a gullible fool. It beats me how you can believe the nonsense ,lies and tripe to be found in the Bible. Life on earth will continue for millions of years. There is no imminent divine intervention. God, heaven etc do not exist. Humans are a simple evolution, from simple bacteria. Nothing more. A little cog in a complex system. When you can grasp how insignificant is the Milky way,then maybe you can realise how unimportant we are.We are not part of a plan, nor the blessed nuturings of some omnipotent being. There is no sentient being in control of the universe. You have been conned into believing that there is a god in control. There is not.Such a fact is obvious. Life on earth will end when our sun dies.

The successful countries in the future will be those with small populations. Finland will be one of them! The current idea of populate or perish in economic terms, will, I think , change to populate and perish. There just isn't enough water food etc to keep feeding the culture of growth and expanding markets and profit. Sustainability is the way. I don't believe that the game is up for humans...we will have to adapt, and we will.

you have to remember, they would not be committing suicide like that if it ended their own society.
 
they look at it like saving lives.
 
if one guy dies taking out 20 of them, that is surely a war they can eventually win, otherwise, I bet no way they do commit suicide.
 
so we have to look at one's own will to survive as well as one's own will for his society to survive, and I think that 'humans', who are social animals, clearly have both forms of survivabilty in them.
 
otherwise, americans would never go to war. kripes, you can get KILLED doing that,,, almost like sucide.
 
make sense?

"SnoopDog' said: 'if one guy dies taking out 20 of them, that is surely a war they can eventually win'..
'HoM's, replys: I'm sure that "Hamas" has their own 'planners' that think along similar lines; but for what it's worth, Israel's annual highway-traffic death toll mortality rate is higher than anything combined 'irregular' or terrorist {pick one}, warfare usually inflicts on Israel; which says something of the faulty "Hamas" & "Hezbollah" numerical calculations, plus Israel's will to survive their adversaries' long-proclaimed fantasy of 'pushing the Israelis' into the Mediterranean!
 
Ps. It also speaks to the respective morality of each {adversarial} side, in that, when Arab civilians get caught in the crossfire.. which especially in 'Gaza,' is not unusual to happen; Israel's Gov't regularly apologizes... but when Israeli casualties are involved..{be they military or civilian}, Palestinians regularly celebrate, by handing out free candy{!?}
 
 
 
 

Hall of Mirrors: Ps. It also speaks to the respective morality of each {adversarial} side, in that, when Arab civilians get caught in the crossfire.. which especially in 'Gaza,' is not unusual to happen; Israel's Gov't regularly apologizes... but when Israeli casualties are involved..{be they military or civilian}, Palestinians regularly celebrate, by handing out free candy{!?}
 
Are you serious. Are you trying to say that the Israeli's have a higher morality?!
You must be joking. Do you know how often Palestinians are killed by "mistake"? But then, maybe you're right. It would probably be of great comfort to the families of the victims that the Israeli's are sorry.
You know, European media have far more better balanced reporting on this issue. I'd recommend you to try to inform yourself better.
 
I always find the American position in this matter and support of Israel funny. Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans did the same to the Americans? That is to reclaim everything that is rightfuly theirs (not that I'm saying that Israel belongs to the Jewish) gave the WASP's North Dakota so they all could live there, make them 5th class "citizens" and even prohibit them from owning a house or land.
 
Did your God give the Israeli's the ight to treat human beings like this????

"Clement," said: Are you serious. Are you trying to say that the Israeli's have a higher morality?!
{'HoM's, answer: Since your asking for my {honest} opinion... then in a word, YES!; I take it that You're of the diametrically opposed opinion?
Do you realize, incidentally, how many diametrical & sincerely opposed
opinions that there must be, among, even Major groupings of people,
on Any number of subjects?!
 
You must be joking. Do you know how often Palestinians are killed by "mistake"? But then, maybe you're right. It would probably be of great comfort to the families of the victims that the Israeli's are sorry.
 
{'HoM's, answer: How can I be {absolutely} sure that YOU'RE Not Joking?!
..Considering the weekly {formerly, daily} Palestinian, and-or generic "Arab" {terrorist} attacks that have launched against Israel, might not Israeli 'targeting-errors' constitute a lesser number of their adversaries' attacks, given the "fog of war"?; plus the fact that the Arab {'insurgents'?}, literally hide behind their women & children?!
 
"Clement": You know, European media have far more better balanced reporting on this issue. I'd recommend you to try to inform yourself better.
{'HoMs': I don't doubt that You {& many others} think that, which doesn't necessarily mean that widely perceived views are Always "right"!

"Clement": I always find the American position in this matter and support of Israel funny. Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans did the same to the Americans? That is to reclaim everything that is rightfuly theirs (not that I'm saying that Israel belongs to the Jewish) gave the WASP's North Dakota so they all could live there, make them 5th class "citizens" and even prohibit them from owning a house or land.
 
 
'HoM's: Like I said in so many words, in my previous thread on this matter; the fact that "Ezekiel" {of old} mentioned that "Jerusalem" would be a "burden-stone" to the whole world, in the 'latter days,' has already come to pass!; and what to you, {and many others}, is a mostly, or even purely man-made initiative/'self-fulfilling prophecy,' is in fact, merely another example of the prophetic passages of the Bible, coming to pass! {You've obviously made "Jerusalem" {one of the 'core related, issues'}, a matter of Your Own 'burdenstone' proportions!!}
 
"Clement": Did your God give the Israeli's permission to treat people like that?
 
'HoM': I dare say, that if you and others were less predisposed to disliking Israel; including, how it came about, from having read biased, to greatly biased {European} media accounts, then you wouldn't have phrased your question in that way! -- I {& others} believe that God Does have a 'permissive will,' 'FYI,' which 'kicks-in' whenever 'fallen' mans' Sinful nature, takes charge, for a season; which by our reckoning, these "seasons" can last up to several thousand years{!}; which in God's calendar, is more like, perhaps a 'week' of His time or timing; maybe even several 'weeks'{!?}
 
So, more accurately put: Does God allow people to treat Each Other like that? Most assuredly, Yes! .. Anyway, I'm sure that I'm the first one to point out to you, "Clement," that the fact that You're exercised by this matter, is merely a prophetic micro-chasm, that the day would come, when this entire matter, would be weighing on the mind of the whole world, {even Your Own}, as in "burdenstone"!
 
Ps. And I didn't even get around to mentioning, why the 'rejectionist Arabs'..{those who object to seeing Israel, as we know it, exist in Any future Middle-East 'Peace' formula}, are, aside from not being realistic; are Also indirectly condoning a new proposed Jewish genocide!; and then, people {like yourself} wonder why the Palestinians are, to your mind, getting 'the Shaft,' and perhaps, then some{?!}