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MemoryUnchained Senior Member United StatesPosts: 728
Reply | 29 Jun 2008, 19:38:30   A New "YouTube" video Message; {albeit}, from a Very Unlikely Source! {Me} .. Oh yes, I'm also a strong believer in "free speech"!; presumably, UNLIKE, this {Dutch} gentleman, from the Netherlands{!?} {Though, he does have a Few, salient points!} |
DOORMAN Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1069
Reply | 29 Jun 2008, 19:49:26   Re: A New "YouTube" video Message; {albeit}, from a Very Unlikely Source! {Me} Wow! That guy is gonna burn in hell for sure. D |
IBelieveInJesus Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1124
Reply | 30 Jun 2008, 14:05:35   Re: A New "YouTube" video Message; {albeit}, from a Very Unlikely Source! {Me} Hi MU Have I simply missed posts from you in the past, or are you just now deciding to speak out. Whichever the case I find myself largely in agreement with your video. Surprised? Let me touch on some key statements you made. YOU SAID: Faith without evidance is the problem. MY RESPONSE: Absolutely, though could it be possible that such an entity as evidanced faith exists in some sphere of this planet? This is a question that logically, you would be unable to answer unless of course you have either examined all faiths in all corners of this planet or unless you have personal experience with such an entity as evidanced faith. For myself it would be the later of the two, but I won't digress into the why's and wherefore's of that just yet. YOU SAID: Animals don't need "god's" in there lives... why? MY RESPONSE: Actually, according to the Word of God they do. I took the time to listen to your entire video, will you entertain my "drivel" for a moment? I hope so. Before I get started though, this statement appears to make a distinction between animals and humanity. Yet evolutionist would say declare that our ancestory stems back to the animals. It cannot logically be both ways, so which is correct? My own answer would, of course, be... GEN 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." Thus we are separate and distinct from animals. Why do we thus need a Savior as oppossed to the animals? Genesis 2:17 (God said to humanity) but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Genesis 3:4 (Satan said to humanity) "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. Because only humanity disobeyed and followed Satan rather than the God who created them in the first place. Never the less we do find that creation indeed does yearn for something more. Romans 8:20-22 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time Animals being part of creation indeed do wait for something more just as humanity itself should indeed do. Romans 8:23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. And praise God we do not wait in vain. Romans 8:24-25 24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. Thus the difference you find between humanity and animals can be explained through the fact that animals never sinned, humanity did. YOU SAID: Purpose of religion is clergy - You don't matter. MY RESPONSE: Are you still with me? I hope so, because things I'm about to say might ring quite true to your own personal convictions. Absolutely, once again though I would add that the purpose of clergy is to rob from the poor and give to the rich which you did imply though not as directly as I just did. This is the very reason that such notions of an eternal hell & immediate life after death were created in the first place. It went something like... if you don't want dear ole Uncle Martin to burn in hell then you need to give your last penny to pave his way into heaven. This also happens to be one of the major points that Martin Luther stood against. It was indeed theft of the worst kind. I won't even go into the horrors of the Catholic inquistions at this time, though I may return to that in a future post. Thus I too would conclude that the purpose of religion is for gaining wealth and riches. Yet, I'm left with a question. Is the purpose of religion and the purpose of Christianity the same or is their something distinctly different between the two concepts. QUESTION: Is religion responsible for the following? * Legalized abortions. * Mandatory seat belt laws. * Restrictive designated smoking areas. * Talking on cell phones while driving being illegal. Is it religion that holds the powers to legislate such things as what are above or is it the government? Given that we see such words as... * Legalized * Laws * Illegal I would conclude that it is the government regulating these statements rather than religion. No matter which side of the coin a person would find themselves on these are matters to answer back to the legal system not religion. Thus it is the legal system which is imposing tighter and tighter sactions upon the people rather than religion at this point. Further, any time any culture is forced to legislate morality in history it has been the sign of the end for that country. Obviously and without question that is exactly what we are doing in America today. Thus, if this great country of ours were to continue as it is it would not be religion that you would witness the end of, but rather our freedom that makes us America. And still further, if you look at the laws that are on the books of the United States you will find such entities called "blue laws" which are not currently enforced though they have been in the past. What are "blue laws"? These are laws that legislate when a business can be open and not. These are laws that legislate what you do and when you do it. These are laws that will mandate even you to worship on Sunday else you be arrested for breaking the laws. And these are laws that are soon to be enforced again upon American soil; probably within the next 5-8 years. Cheers, and thanks for the video. IBIJ Edited on 30 Jun 2008 at 14:07:17 |
MemoryUnchained Senior Member United StatesPosts: 728
Reply | 30 Jun 2008, 14:49:55   Re: A New "YouTube" video Message; {albeit}, from a Very Unlikely Source! {Me} .. Oops, I Meant to type, that I {merely} have the 'copy & paste,' video responsibility, for that "YouTube" post; glad U liked it!; and since I'm in, a manner of speaking, 'HoM's 'other ego'..{same person, different handle}, aside from {me} not being in the mood for entering into a discourse, with Anyone; perhaps, it's the nature of many 'give-and-take' discourses, themselves{!?}, but, your {a-hem} 'track-record' 'IBIJ,' is that you try to draw out others, as to what they think, Re., any number of areas, {which I'm 'OK' with; if, per chance, I'm in the mood}.. then you set forth your own beliefs..{based on your 'take,' Re. the Bible}, and then, when any differences in what one chooses to believe, materialize; you then figuratively hammer away, more or less, without letup, until {apparently}, according to your Own perceptions; You 'Won,' the manufactured, argument{!?} .. If I want to expend energy, I have any number of better things to do!; like play, 2 minute chess, {of which, I mostly 'stink'}, or even, preferably, decide to 'bike-a-wall'! .. |
IBelieveInJesus Founding Member United StatesPosts: 1124
Reply | 30 Jun 2008, 18:15:36 In reply to MemoryUnchained Re: A New "YouTube" video Message; {albeit}, from a Very Unlikely Source! {Me} Hi Hmmmmuuuu Thanks for revealing your deception, it lends real credibility to your post. I've wondered before if there was a connection between the two entities and now know it to be true. Yes, I indeed do draw people out and hold them accountable for following God's Word. If this is to be defined as a crime, then lock me up and throw away the key. I will not be detered from this aim within my life. There are to many critical things happening now that not speaking out will be kin to not caring for what humanity as a whole is about to enter into in the brief years to come. In any debate, if one refuses to respond to that which they are called upon for they lose massive advantage at supporting their position. This is not unique to only my dialog's, but rather it's true through and through. Cheers IBIJ |
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