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Topic started by HALLofMIRRORS on 12 Jun 2008, 00:56:26
HALLofMIRRORS
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12 Jun 2008, 00:56:26
 
To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
.. In basketball terms, this 'NT' {New Testament} verse, by itself, isn't a "slam dunk" {refutation}; but it Was an excerpt of a radio sermon I recently heard, which, 'imho'.. Was!
 
2nd Colossians, 2:15-17 {'KJV'} -- And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
 
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body, is of Christ.
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H-E-L-L-O! .. And to think that some people go around with their heads 'held high,' because they happen to attend church on the Sabbath's modern-day, equivalent.. "Saturday"{!} .. those cursed, "Sunday" 'services'!!..
 
 
IBelieveInJesus
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12 Jun 2008, 01:25:22
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Re: To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
Hi Hmmmm
 
While running around Google I would encourage you to search the Word Sabbaths sometime. You will indeed find references to the 7th day Sabbath, but you will also find references to...
 
* Sabbaths for the land
* Special Sabbaths
* Seasonal Sabbaths
* Time periods other than (1 week) Sabbaths
 
This verse for which you are referencing is referencing...
 
* Holyday's
* New Moon's
* Special Sabbath's (Not the 7th day Sabbath.)
 
Not to worry though, this is the same verse my Sunday pastor quoted me back when I told him the same thing and advised him that this verse cannot support a claim for or against the 7th day Sabbath; since it clearly is not talking about that.
 
Further, to judge you would be to say something like... "You are going to 'hell' because you don't keep the Sabbath". If you've ever heard me to make such a claim I am in error and ask for your forgiveness. On the other hand, if what I have been doing is pointing people to the Word of God to the best of my ability; then that is an entirely different matter altogether.
 
Christ kept the Sabbath
Paul kept the Sabbath
What do you have up on them?
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 
 
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
HALLofMIRRORS
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12 Jun 2008, 03:37:37
 
Re: To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
To paraphrase, 'IBIJ'.. The "Sabbath Day," is Not to be confused with the "special sabbath days"; I'm afraid that Only you and your fellow 'SDAs,' among the Very broad-based beliefs of 'Christiandom' {if you will}, are.. along with the "Jehovah's Witnesses"; the Only {believer} groups that subscribe to that assumed assertion; of the "special-sabbath-days," versus, "the Sabbath Day," delineation!
 
..Incidentally, congrats on your considerable knowledge of Old Testament Judaic laws and customs; even if your 'key point' is based on your denomination's inference, from Scripture; that most other believers, would claim, is Not to be inferred! -- Not to mention the fact, that 'the Law'
{albeit, God's original handed down Law}, Never 'Saved' Anyone{!}, nor, for that matter, were those parts of "the Law", {as in, the 4th Commandment's, Re. "Sabbath" 'keeping'.. applicable to those New Testament believers, {including, us!}; given the passage in Colossians, {among other passages}, that virtually supercedes the 'OT's 4th commandment; albeit, none of the other 10 Commandments, that I'm {offhand} aware of! {admittedly, Not your Most brilliant Bible scholar; which makes Two of us!}.
 
Please read, the following 'c. & p.,' thoughtfully; from, "faithalone.org"
 
2. Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
 
In the Gospels, when Christ heals on the Sabbath or allows His disciples to eat grain from a field on the Sabbath, He proclaims that He, "the Son of Man, is Lord.. even of the Sabbath" {Matt 12:8}. This means that He is not controlled by the Sabbath, but the Sabbath is under His control. This certainly suggests His deity. As God the Son, He shared in giving the original Sabbath law to Israel in the first place.
 
As Man, Jesus submitted to the Sabbath law to fulfill all righteousness. He did Not, however, submit to the traditions that had encrusted the law with pettifogging legalisms that actually contradicted the original good that God intended by the fourth commandment. Because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, we can rejoice with Paul that no Christian can be called to book for keeping or not keeping the Sabbath {Col 2:16, 17}. {your 'odd-take, assumption/inference, "special sabbaths," versus, "The Sabbath," aside!}.
 
The principle of rest every seventh day, however, is a blessing to man's mental and physical health, and is well worth maintaining. {fini}
IBelieveInJesus
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12 Jun 2008, 10:54:07
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Re: To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
HALLofMIRRORS said:
I'm afraid that Only you and your fellow 'SDAs,' among the Very broad-based beliefs of 'Christiandom' {if you will}, are.. along with the "Jehovah's Witnesses"; the Only {believer} groups that subscribe to that assumed assertion;
 
A simple study of the Jewish religion will reveal the truth on this statement. Why not Google it?

HALLofMIRRORS said:
even if your 'key point' is based on your denomination's inference, from Scripture; that most other believers, would claim, is Not to be inferred!
 
I really don't care if I were the only one following God's Word on this point, if convicted as such by the Holy Spirit I would do exactly that. Remember, only 8 people were on Noah's boat after 120 years of preaching.
 
HALLofMIRRORS said:
nor, for that matter, were those parts of "the Law", {as in, the 4th Commandment's, Re. "Sabbath" 'keeping'.. applicable to those New Testament believers, {including, us!};
 
Keeping the Sabbath started on the first week of creation, thus it existed long before Jewish religious customs. However, if your going to throw 1 of the 10 commmandments to the wind you will be forced to discard them all including "thou shall not murder" and "thou shall not commit adultery". Are you really willing to do that?
 
HALLofMIRRORS said:
This means that He is not controlled by the Sabbath, but the Sabbath is under His control.
 
True, but even He kept the Sabbath. A fact for which your author is about to point out. However, not being controlled by the Sabbath in no way infers that we are thus free to change it at our whim any more than we are free to steal, kill, or destroy.
 
HALLofMIRRORS said:
He did Not, however, submit to the traditions that had encrusted the law with pettifogging legalisms that actually contradicted the original good that God intended by the fourth commandment.
 
I would agree. But changing the Sabbath day altogether was never inferred by Christ as part of the legalistic laws for which He was trying to remove from the Sabbath Days rest.
 
HALLofMIRRORS said:
The principle of rest every seventh day, however, is a blessing to man's mental and physical health, and is well worth maintaining.
 
Wait! Which side of this debate are you on? Didn't you just refute within your own words everything that you have ever written on this topic within one sentence? I'm impressed.
 
TWO OPTIONS
 
1. Rest on the Sabbath: Be free to enjoy communing with God and doing good as you prepare for the grueling week ahead.
 
2. Don't Rest on the Sabbath: But instead do yard work, house work, paper work, perhaps even go to work or what have you.
 
Conclusion?
 
You would allow people to be in bondage to the work that runs them down every other day of the week. I would tell them to rest and rejuvinate for the week ahead. Which way seems legalistic to you?
 
Cheers
IBIJ
HALLofMIRRORS
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12 Jun 2008, 14:41:40
 
Re: To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
To, 'IBIJ,' In a {proverbial} "nutshell," I'm happy & content, if you're happy & content, to allow you {in a figurative sense; since there's No 'preventing you'.. nor would I want there to be!}, to worship on what we now know as Saturday {as in, "the Sabbath"}, or for all I care, any day{s} of the week you want.
 
The fact that you obviously have been 'brainwashed' {a word that I'll stand by!}, into believing that for a believer Not to "worship" on a specific day of the week, {Re. "the Sabbath"} would be a cardinal Sin; presumably, in the same way, degree, that Even murder or even lying, cheating on one's spouse, etc. etc., is, is a 'matter'..{ie. odd-take, on your part}, that you're Also free to believe!
 
Furthermore, if you Don't want to believe that one of the reasons 'JC' came to earth and live out His life, in the way that He did, was {apparently} secondarily..{as I understand it}, to deliver man From the law, as it relates to ceremonial & "Holy" days {including, "the Sabbath"; your profound disagreement, noted} that's also your perogative.
 
.. Personally, I doubt that for All of your postings, that repeatedly 'spout' your {beloved} 'SDA' spin on the Bible; including, immersing oneself, in 'OT' Judaic ceremonial law and custom knowledge; Hey!, if that 'turns you on' {in modern-day 'speak'}, then 'Go-For-It'!!
 
.. Personally, I would doubt that you've convinced, {or will Ever convince}, more than One Person on this 'BB'; so as to bring them under the {mistaken} conviction, that All the 'whys-
and-wherefores' of your religion..{as in, denominational-cult}, Are equally important..{or almost so}, compared to what Most believers, regard as the {relatively, by contrast}, "Simple method of "Salvation"!
 
.. The difference between us..{plus you, and just about everyone else}, is that You give every indication of Not wanting to admit, that ultimately, the precise way everyone..{including, anyone in particular}, worships, or decides Not to worship, is a matter of individual conscience!; sound reasonable, to you? .. and if Not, based on your own objectively, obsessive-compulsive dogmatic religious postings; though I know {in advance} that your answer will be in the negative... but I'll ask it anyway; ie., doesn't the manner of your essentially, "Johnny-One-Note" religious, and virtually intolerent, {by, inference} postings, give you pause..{upon reflection} that, in a metaphorical sense, you could very well have one, {though probably more}, "screws loose"?!
Ps. Already, in an "incoming" {'hunker-down'} bombardment mode; where you will..{once again}, compare yourself to Noah..{and God knows, who else}, and imply that I, and others, are modern-day "false-prophets," or the like. 'Sigh,' "Such is Life"! ..
Pps. So there's No mistaking; and I'm sure that the 'unsaved' out there, will accuse me of the same offense{!}.. the guy {repeatedly} striking the 'dead horse,' is YOU! .. Happy?!
IBelieveInJesus
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21 Jun 2008, 14:41:10
 
Re: To Those Few Who Believe that 'Keeping the {correct} "Sabbath" Day, Is a Matter of Importance
Hi Hmmmm
 
Can you not see that you are repeatedly attempting to lure people into your way of belief by the responses you make?
 
Did Jesus Christ keep the Sabbath in His life?
Did Jesus Christ keep the Sabbath even in His death?
 
If it's important enough for Jesus Christ, then I'm indeed content in believing that it is important for me too. Carry on your way...
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ