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Topic started by IBelieveInJesus on 5 Apr 2008, 13:16:26
IBelieveInJesus
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5 Apr 2008, 13:16:26
 
Jesus the Creator - Say What?
God, not evolution created all things.
 
Ephesians 3:9
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
 
But which entity of God? God the Father? God the Son (aka Jesus)? Or perhaps God the Holy Spirit?
 
John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
 
How can we know that this "Word" was Jesus Christ?
 
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
Not only was Jesus the creator, but He is also the ruler.
 
Revelation 3:14
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.
 
Who appointed Jesus Christ as the ruler?
 
Hebrews 1:1-2
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
 
So why worship Jesus Christ over milk?
 
Colossians 1:15-17
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
And while will some of you not understand this as a relevant answer for why?
 
1 Corinthians 1:18-19
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
 
Turn to Jesus, no other answer can satisfy you like the water of life.
 
John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ
grevillea
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5 Apr 2008, 20:35:26
In reply to IBelieveInJesus
Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
Milk's getting under your skin. Better still it's getting into your bones.
EELDROP
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5 Apr 2008, 21:15:41
 
Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
god created evolution, why is that so hard to believe ?
 
he also created milk...
IBelieveInJesus
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5 Apr 2008, 22:53:34
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Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
 
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 
Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!
 
Pardon me, but I don't believe any of these above verses lend the least amount of credibility to evolution. Care to show me through God's Word that we are a process of evolution from one spieces to another as oppossed to being created by Jesus?
 
Happy Sabbath
MemoryUnchained
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6 Apr 2008, 00:32:55
 
Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
.. Our 'loyal {evolutionary} opposition' just {objectively} pre-
vailed, over your last raised objection, 'IBIJ'!
 
..One can No more 'prove-or-disprove' the authenticity of evolution
from the Bible, in a 'mixed, religious/secular-humanist, part-scientific'
forum; than to 'prove' a point, exclusively, from any number of pre-
mier 'evolutionary proponent-scholar,' written books.. {as the Only
'evidence' allowed to be introduced}, who.. {'truth-be-known'},
have their Own 'biased-axes,' 'to grind'!
 
..For future reference {'IBIJ'} you're more likely to 'sway opinions' of
the undecided, from, Dr. Hugh Ross's, "Reasons-to-Believe," 'humon-
gous,' Web site{!}
.. That is, if the fact he isn't a "Seventh-Day Adventist," doesn't 'Stick-
in-your-craw'{!?} 0:
SouthernComfort
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8 Apr 2008, 00:31:13
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Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
Did god create this internet posting? Did he create the electrons used to send the internet posting? Does he have control of the electrons now?
 
At least I*IJ's arguments are his own. Stop being a watercarrier for hugh ross.
 
Someone please explain how HIV-1 and HIV-2 didn't evolve from strands of SIV?
 
--SoCo
HALLofMIRRORS
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8 Apr 2008, 02:19:13
 
Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
'SC,' posted excerpt, was: "At least I*IJ's arguments are his own. Stop being a watercarrier for hugh ross."
 
..'HoM' responds: And I trust that you consider yourself as one
in favor of 'freedom-of-expression'{?!}.. Yet, you come up with
these 'Clunker' comments?!; including, the mistaken belief that
"'IBIJ's arguments, are his own"?!
 
..'Truth, be known', We ALL incorporate/adopt beliefs and 'world-
views,' from others that we agree with! .. Even if it involves meta-
phorically 'cherry-picking,' different 'p.o.v.' {plural} from various
people; who, by virtue of that.. we almost invaribly, esteem!
IBelieveInJesus
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12 Apr 2008, 14:26:06
 
Re: Jesus the Creator - Say What?
Quoting entire paraphraphs and books of the Bible is hardly cherry picking my friend... it is however knowing what the God of Word does and does not say.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ