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Topic started by IBelieveInJesus on 3 Apr 2008, 11:34:44
IBelieveInJesus
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3 Apr 2008, 11:34:44
 
In response to SC
I've already posted this, but fear it may be lost for the length of post it is in. Therefore, I'm starting a new post with it here...
 
Hi SC

IïFFD019ll respond as I go down through the following writings without a clue of what they have to say yet.

YOU SAID:
but subscribes to the non-cannonical belief that the serpent in Genesis is Satan/Lucifer.

MY RESPONSE:
Yes, the serpent is Lucifer.

YOU SAID:
If the serpent was Satan, the divine scripture would have said so right? So we can't assume, remember?

MY RESPONSE:
How many names is Christ Himself known by in the Scriptures?

Son Of Man
Lord of Lords
Rider on Right Horse
Michael The Arch Angel

Just to name a few. Given that there are numerous names for Christ how likely would it be that there are numerous names for Lucifer?

Lucifer (KJV - Isaiah 14:12)
Satan (KJV ïFFD013 47 references)
Devil (KJV ïFFD013 33 references)
Morning Star (KJV - Isaiah 14:12)

Evidently this is the case. Now who exactly was talking to Eve in the Garden.

Genesis 3:1
[ The Fall of Man ] Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

And according to Webster what is a serpent?

1 aarchaic : a noxious creature that creeps, hisses, or stings b: SNAKE
2: DEVIL 1
3: a treacherous person
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/serpent

So according to Webster serpent is another name for the Devil.

Further, it is interesting to point out the definitions for the word dragon.

1archaic : a huge serpent
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dragon

And Scripture uses the Word dragon 14NIV & 34KJV times with the majority of those times referring to Lucifer, the serpent or snake himself including...

Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspringïFFD014those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Now a question for you. Since the curse upon the serpent was to crawl upon the ground what possibilities would their be that snakes or serpents actually used to fly?

As for your Adam & Eve fable, they had to get the story from somewhere, no?

Cheers
IBIJ
SouthernComfort
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3 Apr 2008, 13:44:02
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Re: In response to SoCo
I didn't see this posting before I posted on the just thinkin thread. I just reposted the serpent answer over here.
 
 
Hey I*IJ, the new american bible reads genesis this way:
 
Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made.
 
Read the line; serpent = animal
 
If serpent = Satan, then it would read as such. I do like you pointing to Websters as proof, that's rich. Points for creativity, but the fact is that the line simply doesn't read the way you want it to.
 
Webster gives 2 definitions for Satan and neither make any mention of serpents or dragons.
 
We should explore the serpents' curse more to really show how wrong you are.
 
--SoCo
lgrupido
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3 Apr 2008, 17:11:10
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SC,
 
Are you suggesting then, that serpents which were just normal animals back in the time of Adam and Eve could talk to people?
 
Or perhaps Eve was a far off ancestor of Slytherin.....
Edited on 3 Apr 2008 at 17:13:17
SouthernComfort
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3 Apr 2008, 17:27:48
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Parsel(sp?) tongue right?
 
Nice. Maybe that's why no one uses Eve's surname...Malfoy.
 
--SoCo
IBelieveInJesus
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3 Apr 2008, 21:47:36
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Hi SC
 
Normal flying animals yes.
 
When Satan possesses a living soul, be it man or animal many strange things can indeed take place.
 
Any sanitarium would have more than enough evidance of that. No, not all people in sanitariums are possessed by Satan or his legion of demons. However, some patrons sure are.
 
Cheers
IBIJ