What has happen to this Miscellaneous Bulletin Board?
Google articles and You Tube videos, is that all there is. What happen to the conflict of opinion and obnoxious replies?
Doesn't anyone have an opinion to express, or a need to be right?
 
Grandpa13
 

..My guess? ..'Me thinks' that the speeded-up 'treadmill-of-
Life' {if you will} is causing the overwhelming majority of
all posters, {including those who USED to post regularly}..
to 'clam up'{!}
 
..And can anyone really 'blame them'! --Unless one can ration-
alize the increasingly chaotic world we live in, {as the Bible
predicted, Re. the 'End-Times'}, I would think that though they
would deny it, for 'public consumption'} all the agnostics and
atheists feel both flustered and psychologically/spiritually,
'running-on {or near} empty,' when one considers the randomness
of negative news that happens every day, and in most every area{!}
.. while completely forgetting {Saint} Paul's Scripture admonition:
"Rejoice, when trials and temptations come upon you, for ....
{Darn it; I'm unable to quote the rest of it, but there is enough
info. to look up the part I Did recall, at: http://biblegateway.com

I love the irony that you reply to a post entitled "Just Thinkin", when clearly that state of being has never affected you. "Thinkin" for yourself just doesn't happen does it? And when it does, the comments posted here are ramblings and red herrings the likes of which no one in this small community is familiar with.
 
That said, you generally stay away from remarks that are racist or bigotted. Therefore it is difficult to critize without a personal attack, which I unfortunately fell victim to and I apologized.
 
To Gramps:
 
Simply subscribing to a fundamentalist religious lifestyle/attitude shouldn't be ridiculed. It's the small minded and often racist/sexist/bigotted comments that are attached to said fundamentalism that, if left unridiculed, may spread to other small minded individuals. These small minded individuals will then be gathered together under the leadership of a megalomanic and events like Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, and Waco occur.
 
So, from now on, it would be helpful if all posts that contain a bible quote, be accompanied by a personal belief about a different gender/race/religion.
 
Example: "Rejoice, when trials and temptations come upon you..."
could be paired with, "Women shouldn't be allowed to work" or "Islam preaches violence"
 
As long as the poster truly believes it; that's what matters.
 
Otherwise the members here may remain bored with this board.
 
Special prize to anyone who can define "increasing chaos" Hint: It's not easy, it could take longer than eternity.
 
--SoCo

To my surprise...
 
I actually agree with GammaHmmmm this time. SC, just because someone puts out a thought structure that is different from your own it does not mean that person has not "thought" about their reply. Both you and GammaHmmmm have thought about your responses and it can be argued that I too have thought about this reply. That's never been my problem with anyone posting here whomever they be. However, when people make statements that amount to "thus saith the Lord" which are not able to be backed up by Scripture (Example: The soul leaves the body and goes to Heaven at death), then I find myself having to respond with direct Scriptures. Funny thing is that then I am accused of not following Scripture though it's God's very Word I have used to explain my position.
 
Anyways, their is probably a combinatio of reasons that posts are lacking on this site.
 
1. I myself have been accused of causing at least a portion of this problem. True or not; I myself believe that this is at least a portion of the reason.
 
2. The rush of life also keeps me from leaving as many posts as I used to which is probably the case for others too. I do plan on changing this in the near future in a huge way.
 
3. Some say Caissa is better now. No matter what the case may be the way the transition was done caused a great deal of people to abandon this site. In my opinion there would have been a much better transition process to take than what the Admin of Caissa chose. However, my own site is going through a major transition right now and I know the process is losing more than a few people along the way.
 
4. Obiviously there are other reasons not mentioned above which also add to the reasons that posters are not posting as much these days.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

It seems to me, that it is just as illogical to read the bible literally as it is to pray to a jar of milk.
 
We think in pictures, when we read or hear the word automobile, in our minds eye we see an automobile. If we are driving a PT Cruiser that is probable the kind of automobile we see.
 
The ancient scripture writers didn't use punctuation nor did they have a vocabulary with the word automobile in it. Nether did they have the word truth in their vocabulary. They referred to the first level of truth as stone. As you rose to a higher level of truth and understanding, they referred or called that water. The highest level of truth and understanding was referred to as wine.
 
Thus the Wedding at Cana story is probable symbolic. A verbal language can only be understood by those familiar with it, but a parable or illustration can be understood by people not speaking the same verbal language. In esoteric language the numerical term 3 is often used to represent that a certain development has been fulfilled. Christ rose on the third day, Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days, the fig tree was to be cut down after three years, Peter denied Jesus 3 times, etch. In other words something happened, there was a beginning, a middle and an end.
 
In the story of the wedding at Cana it states, "On the third day there was a marriage." Implying something happened in those three days.
 
What did happen at the wedding at Cana? There were six stone jars (Stone representing basic truth or understanding) holding twenty to thirty gals of water (Water representing a higher level of truth or understanding). The water was changed to wine, (Wine representing the highest level of truth or understanding).
 
Psychologically; Christ taught the new covenant, He raised the pagan's level of basic truth (stone) to the highest level of truth and understanding (wine). Faith and belief in God and his new covenant.
 
Or literally; Christ took six stone jars of water and made 120 gallons of wine after they had already drank the first supply. They must have had a hell of a party at that wedding.
 
Grandpa13

Hi GP13
 
Okay, it appears to me that you just attempted to invalidate the entirity of Scripture or at very least some of the major miracles that Jesus performed.
 
In the wake of that dust what do you do with Scriptures like...
 
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
I'm thinking of siding with the likes of SC if this ain't exactly what God meant by what He said.
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 

Read my post on life after death.
 
grandpa13

This reminds me of those inkblot tests. Subjects are shown various inkblots and asked to describe what the picture looks like. While IBIH sees the butterfly, grampa clearly makes out a dinosaur, and I won't put forward a guess as to what HM/UM sees. No one sees the inkblot for what it really is... an inkblot.
 
I*IJ says he doesn't agree with me, and that "Both you and GammaHmmmm have thought about your responses", when I accused HM/MU of not thinking about posting, yet in a different post:
 
"Your (HoM) given style is to post articles from others that we are to read..."
 
"Tell me which exact questions you (not someone else) want me to answer..."
 
And I know I*IJ prides himself on studying the bible and drawing meaning from what is written, but subscribes to the non-cannonical belief that the serpent in Genesis is Satan/Lucifer.
 
That reference is from the Book of Adam and Eve. A classic work which, while not being branded god's official word, has influenced generations of believers who have never read it. You see Satan isn't mentioned in the true bible until the Book of Job. If the serpent was Satan, the divine scripture would have said so right? So we can't assume, remember?
 
Did I win the point out where I*IJ is wrong prize?
 
As for you gramps, there is absolutely nothing illogical about having faith in a carton of milk. It is not gods infinite love that is produced within a woman's breast to nurish her newborn, it is milk my friend.
 
--SoCo

I can understand the logic of having faith in God as I understand him, but I don't understand the logic of having faith in a carton of milk. Like inkblots, a carton of milk is just a carton of milk.
 
grandpa13

Gramps:
 
You are attaching the meanings behind the object or person of worship or faith. They don't intrisically exist. The meaning resides within you. If you choose to have faith in a carton of milk, that is no different than choosing to have faith in some god. Some choose jesus, some mohammad, some krishna, and others buddah, but I got milk.
 
Obviously if one chooses to follow mohammad, then jesus is just some guy. Sure in Islam jesus is a prophet, but no xian worships isaiah, while regarding him a prophet.
 
My point is that once you have attached meaning to an object or a person, then having faith in that person or object makes perfect sense, but only to that person.
 
You said yourself that you have faith in god as you understand him, wouldn't everyone's understanding be different? And wouldn't all of those differences be valid because understanding is unique to the individual?
 
--SoCo

The difference between people (human beings) and animals is that humans have the power of reason and logic.
 
I can understand why a dog would be attached to an object such as a carton of milk, but I can't understand why a human would be. I guess if you put humans and animals on the same level (basic objects) that could make sense.
 
Gp13

A dog with his chew toy
A man and his golf clubs
A woman and her soap operas
A child with Santa Claus
 
Me with my milk and you with your god.
 
All attachments that are created within the individual. All just as valid as the next.
 
Funny thing about these kinds of attachments is that even with logic and reason it is difficult to separate the object of the affection/attachment from the giver.
 
I'm sure you know the individual who has some sweater or house decoration that they hate, but will not part with because someone special gave it to them, ie mom, dad, boyfriend, ect.
 
Or the item has long outlived it's usefulness, but they hold on to it because it reminds them of some supposed better time that has passed.
 
Are these people animals? Or is it human to create bonds and attachments to people and things? Even to things that may not exist or cannot help us in any tangible way.
 
Is that illogical? and does a human always have to act in a logical manner?
 
--SoCo
 
 

You say:
A dog with his chew toy
A man and his golf clubs
A woman and her soap operas
A child with Santa Claus
You with your milk and me with my God.
(All just things of the world except God).
 
They say, "You can separate the men from the boys by the price of their toys." All objects of affection or attachment. Some can be rewarding and beneficial while others can be harmful and destructive.
 
This all depends on whether we are living in the normal human world of reason and choice or we are living in the world of addiction where we have no power of reason or choice, we sink to the level of an animal seeking self gratification.
 
Yes; I think that if a human wants to live in this world, Happy, Joyous, and Free, he has to think and act in a logical manner.
 
Gp13

..I couldn't help but notice {albeit, after 'cherrypicking' two separate
statements by 'SC', in two separate posts}, that he at least partially
contradicted himself{!} {see, below}
 
'SC' said: "Or is it human to create bonds and attachments to people
and things? Even to things that may not exist or cannot help us in
any tangible way."
..Notice he used the expression- "that may not exist"; yet, in a sep-
arate post, he,{'SC'} referred to this same category of 'worshipped'
or 'sentimental' objects or ideas, as.. "not intrinsically existing."
 
..You can't have it 'Both Ways' 'SC'; pure logic dictates, that "God,"
in this case, cannot both, "not intrinsically exist" {quoting you}, and
at the same time, in your own words, "may not exist"!
 
..Plus, in order for Anyone to honestly state that Most Any object,
'thing' or even the concept of a 'Judeo-Christian God,' does "Not
intrinsically exist," would require you, 'SC', to be 'All-knowing'!
 
..To quote, "KGO radio" talk-show host, "Bill Wattenberg," in a recent
'on-air' statement, Re. another subject, which applies here; "I don't
mind being 'taken-down' now and then in an argument, but I'll be
{metaphorically} damned, if I concede an argument {point} to a First-
Class-Idiot!" {OUCH!} 0:

I couldn't help but notice, that Memory Unchained is trying to distract us from Southern Comfort's sensible and logical points, by focusing on trivia. Like a man whose house is on fire, desperately looking for the oil can to fix the squeak on the front door hinge. So let's get back to the point and stick with it. Which is.. it is equally valid for one person to believe in god, as it is for another person to believe in Milk. Even though it is hard for me to admit this...I will concede that Milk is not superior to god, or better than god,or more benevolent
than god ; it is simply god's equal. However it does taste better. Are there any valid reasons to choose between god or Milk. Of course there are none. There is not one reason at all. Are there any reasons to choose between Islam and Christianity..no, none at all. If GP13 had been born in Saudi Arabia he'd be a Muslim. If he'd been born in China, he could well be an atheist. The arrogant confidence displayed by Christians here, that their faith is based on rock solid foundations is misplaced.The Christians here, can not give a single reason, why their faith is the true faith.They can not give a single reason why praying to god gets better results than praying to Milk. Deep down, intrinsically, we all know that god does not exist. But the hope that he does exist is a powerful force. Not for me. And by the way, did anyone notice that easter eggs' main ingrediant is Milk. Food for thought.

'grevillea,' said: "Are there any valid reasons to choose between
god {sic; lower-case letter 'g'?!} and milk{?} Of course, there is
{are} none; not one valid reason."
 
..To 'cut-to-the-chase', grevillea's preceding post had enough
'holes' {faulty arguments} contained there-in, that it sort of
reminded me of calling {holey} "Swiss cheese," a "solid block"{!?}
 
..But due to my own present time-constraints, the following 'copy-
and-paste,' Should show to most 'thinking' people, that.. Far from
there Not being even "one valid reason" for "choosing God" over
"milk"; what follows, are "10 Reasons"; from just 'Bible Prophecy'
alone!
 
10 Bible prophecies {Re. Israel} explained, and fulfilled {or being
fulfilled} today!
 
These 10 Bible prophecies said that Israel would become a country, that it would be destroyed, that its people would be scattered worldwide and persecuted, that they would have a worldwide impact, and that they would return to Israel. Each of these prophecies have been fulfilled or are being fulfilled.
 
1. Abraham's descendants would have their own country
Bible passage: Genesis 15:18
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1400 BC and in 1948
The Bible's book of Genesis explains that about 4000 years ago, the Lord found a man who had strong faith. That man's name was Abraham. In Genesis 12:1-3, the Lord calls out to Abraham and chooses to reward him.
 
In Genesis 15:18, the Lord said that Abraham's descendants would have their own country, and that this country would be between the river of Egypt and the Euphrates River. {People sometimes call this "the Promised Land"}
 
Genesis also explains that this promise of land to the descendants of Abraham was inherited by Abraham's son, Isaac, and then by Abraham's grandson, Jacob. Jacob is the father of the 12 Tribes of Israel. {This web site uses the terms Jews, Israelites, people of Israel, and Hebrews, interchangeably}
 
This prophecy of nationhood has been fulfilled more than once. About 3400 years ago, the Hebrew descendants of Abraham first established Israel. The Bible's book of Joshua explains how Joshua led the Israelites into the land that had been promised to them, as descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and established the nation of Israel.
 
The nation of Israel was later divided into two kingdoms, called Judah and Israel, about 2900 years ago. The kingdom of Israel lost its independence when it was conquered by Assyria about 2700 years ago. Judah lost its independence about 2600 years ago when it was conquered by Babylon.
 
Then.. about 2000 years ago, the Romans scattered the Jews {or Israelites or Hebrews} throughout the Roman Empire.
 
But, in 1948.. after many Jews from around the world had returned to the land of Israel, the Jews issued a declaration of independence.
 
That was the first time in 2900 years that Israel was both united and independent.
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Genesis 15:18
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphratesâ026"
 
2. Jacob saw a vision of Israel's future
Bible passage: Genesis 28:10-15
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: Throughout history
In Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible says that Jacob, who lived about 4000 years ago, received a vision from God about the future of his descendants (the Israelites, who today are commonly called "Jews"). The vision accurately foretold their future. Here is our summary:
1. Jacob's descendants would have Israel as their own country. (Gen. 28:13). This was fulfilled about 3400 years ago when the Israelites first established Israel.
2. The Israelites would be like dust, spreading out to the east, west, north and south. (Gen. 28:14). Throughout history, the Jews have been scattered worldwide. They are the first and only group of people to be scattered worldwide.
3. The Israelites would have a worldwide impact. {Gen. 28:14}. Jews have had a tremendous worldwide impact in science, art, literature, economics, music and theology. The worldwide spread of Christianity began 2000 years ago by Jews who were followers of Jesus.
4. Jacob's descendants would be brought back to Israel. {Gen. 28:15} This began to be fulfilled during the late 1800s when many Jews worldwide began returning to their ancient homeland. They re-established Israel's independence in 1948.
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Genesis 28:10-15
Jacob ... had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: "I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you."
 
3. Counting Abraham's descendants would be like counting the stars
Bible passage: Genesis 15:5
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: Throughout history
In Genesis 15:5, the Bible said that Abraham would have many descendants and that counting them would be like counting the stars. The fulfillment of this prophecy is obvious. In fact it is so obvious that it can be easily overlooked:
 
Abraham is the only person revered by large numbers of people throughout world as being their ancestor.
 
He is the father of the Jewish people, as explained in the book of Genesis, through his son Isaac, and through Isaac's son Israel.
 
Christians become descendants of Abraham through faith {Galatians 3:29}, just as Abraham became the father of many nations through faith {Genesis chapters 12-17; Romans 4:18}.
 
And many other peoples count themselves as descendants of Abraham, through his son Ishmael.
 
It also should be noted that the first part of his name, "Ab," means "father," and that his name was changed by God. The reason for the change is explained in Genesis 17:5, for which the NIV translation is: No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.
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Genesis 15:5
He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars; if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be."
 
4. The people of Israel would be scattered worldwide
Bible passage: Deuteronomy 28:64
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 721 BC, 586 BC, 70 AD, 135 AD, modern times
In Deuteronomy 28:64, the Bible said the Jews would be scattered worldwide. This prophecy has been fulfilled in detail. Take a look at the explanation of the Jewish "Diaspora," which means "scattering," from the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "â026 by 70 A.D. Jewish communities existed in Babylonia, Syria, Egypt, Cyrene, Asia Minor, Greece, and Rome. Jews followed the Romans into Europe and from Persia and Babylonia spread as far east as China. In modern times, Jews have migrated to the Americas, South Africa, and Australia. The Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe, until World War II the largest in the world, was decimated in the Holocaust. Despite the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the vast majority of the Jewish people remains in the Diaspora, notably in North America, Russia, and Ukraine."
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Deuteronomy 28:64
Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. â026
 
5. God will never forget the children of Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 49:13-18
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: Throughout history
In Isaiah 49:13-18, the Lord makes it clear that even though the people of Israel are to be exiled from their land, the Lord will not forget them, and they will be brought back to their land.
 
Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At about that time, the Assyrians invaded the northern part of the land of Israel and had scattered many of the people. More than a century later, the Babylonians would do the same to the people in the southern part of the land of Israel.
 
Many returned after the fall of Babylon, but the Romans later exiled and scattered the people again. And many remain scattered throughout the world today. Given the exile, the scattering, and the persecutions of the past 19 centuries, it is easy to understand the sentiment of Verse 14 {NIV translation}: "The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me."
 
But Verses 15 and 16 show that the Lord will never forget. In fact, it says that even if a mother could forget her child, the Lord will not forget his children, for they are "engraved" on the palms of His hands. Verses 17 and 18 show that the sons of Israel will return to Israel.
 
Although there has always been at least a small number of Jews living in the land of Israel, millions have returned from around the world during the past 2 centuries, allowing Israel to reclaim independence in 1948, a few thousand years since the previous time that the nation had independence.
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Isaiah 49:13-18
Shout for joy, O heavens; rejoice, O earth; burst into song, O mountains! For the LORD comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones. But Zion said, "The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me." "Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me. Your sons hasten back, and those who laid you waste depart from you. Lift up your eyes and look around; all your sons gather and come to you. As surely as I live," declares the LORD, "you will wear them all as ornaments; you will put them on, like a bride.
 
6. The people of Israel would have a worldwide impact
Bible passage: Genesis 12:2-3
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: Throughout history
In Genesis 12:2-3, and in Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible said that the descendants of Abraham and the descendants of Abraham's grandson, Jacob, would be a blessing for people worldwide. Jacob is the father of the 12 Tribes of Israel (the Jews). In 1898, Mark Twain wrote an essay for Harper's New Monthly Magazine that discussed how the Jews have had an impact on the world:
 
".. the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them allâ026 All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"
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Genesis 12:2-3
"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
 
7. Israel would be partitioned by other nations
Bible passage: Joel 3:2
Written: about 400 BC
Fulfilled: 1900s
In Joel 3:2, the prophet said that the nations of the world will be judged for having scattered the people of Israel and for having "divided up" {or "parted" or "partitioned"} the land of Israel. Christian scholars believe that this is a prophecy that will be fulfilled during the End Times. But portions of the prophecy already have been fulfilled. The Jews have been scattered to nations throughout the world, and the nations of the world have divided up the land of Israel. On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved a motion to partition the land into two separate states, one for Jewish people and another for Arab people.
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Joel 3:2
I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.
(NOTE: "Jehoshaphat" means "the Lord judges.")
 
8. Israel would be restored and repopulated
Bible passage: Ezekiel 36:8-10
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Ezekiel 36:8-10, the prophet Ezekiel said that the people of Israel would return, rebuild and repopulate their fallen cities. Ezekiel, according to the Bible, lived about 2600 years ago during the time of the Babylonian Captivity, when many Jews, including Ezekiel, were taken as captives to Babylon. After the Babylonian Captivity ended, many Jews returned to their homeland. But about 1900 years ago, the Jews again were forced into exile, this time by the Romans. However, since the late 1800s, millions of Jews have returned to their ancient homeland. And, once again, they have been rebuilding and repopulating their ancient cities. In 1948, there were about 600,000 Jews living in Israel. Today there are about 6,000,000.
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Ezekiel 36:8-10
"But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown, and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt."
 
9. Jesus' life was foreshadowed by the prophet Isaiah
Bible passage: Isaiah 42:1-9
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: About 2000 years ago
In Isaiah 42:1-9, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a servant of God who will be a light to the Gentiles {non-Jews} and bring justice to the world. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of this promise. Jesus' teachings govern the lives of Christians throughout the world. Some estimates claim that there are as many as 2 billion Christians worldwide. More people follow the teachings of Jesus than those of any other person in history.
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Isaiah 42:1-9
"Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. "I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you."
 
10. Jesus said His words would never be forgotten
Bible passage: Luke 21:33
Written: about 30 AD
Fulfilled: At this very moment
In Luke 21:33, Jesus said that regardless of what happens to the world, His words will never be forgotten. Here we are 2000 years later and the words of Jesus are all around us: Christianity has spread to people around the world and the Bible is the world's most circulated book. Of all the people who have ever lived, can you think of a single person who could have made this claim more effectively than Jesus.. that his words would never be forgotten?!
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Luke 21:33
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
 
Notes: Bible verses are from the New International Version (NIV) translation.
 
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{'MU's 'parting' comment; Although, it's an example of a somewhat
well known 'overstatement'; nevertheless, it contains More than a
'kernel-of-truth', and probably explains in large part, the 'chasm'
that exists between 'believers' and 'Non-believers'; which is: "To
those who believe, No explanation is necessary; to those who don't
believe, no explanation {including, ALL of the preceding} is satisfactory!"}.

All this talk about God and Milk. Why aren't we bowing to the source?
 
The Breast!
 
Tknight

Hall of Mirrors, you are totally missing the point. I am asking why you picked Christianity in preference to any of the other religions.What reason did you have for doing so? I will state again...there are no grounds to choose Christianity over Islam, over Buddhism, over the Aussie Aboriginals who believe the moon is made of bread and eaten by creatures whose eyes shine in the night sky. You chose to be a Christian, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes with Bible extracts. The guts of the Bible require a huge amount of faith, suspended logic,a complete lack of common sense, and a ship load of gullibility. You have no reason to choose Christianity over any other belief. You can attempt to answer again, if you like. Again don't bulldust me with..."I don't have enough time".. your track record shows you have enough time on your hands to grow trees. Also, if it's not too much to ask..no cut and paste.

.. Excuse, 'grevillea,' but I didn't extract from your next-to-last
post, that you were wondering {apparently, 'first-and-foremost'}
why I "chose Christianity" {more specifically, myself believing in
'JC's assertions of His Divinity; in contrast to many other 'self-
proclaimed, Christians,' who merely acknowledge that he was a
Very influential philosopher, perhaps!?}.
 
..Obviously, being 'made' to attend a then 'local' "Presbyterian"
church in my childhood, played an important role; and No, I DON'T
happen to believe that everyone who does Not believe in 'JC's
Divinity, is {automatically} consigned to "Hell"; or even neces-
sarily, to 'God's doghouse' for that matter; as in, those 'raised' in
in other belief-systems{!}
 
..Incidentally, that belief of mine, IS alluded to in the Bible {not sure
exactly where} where it says that we are all judged {by, God/JC}
according to the 'light' or 'truth' we were 'exposed' to{!}
 
..Does this 'qualification' {if you will} 'put-to-lie' Jesus' assertion
of: "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The Light; No man cometh to
the Father, but by Me."{?} ..'Heavens, No'!; It just means that
there is, undoubtedly, some type of 'remedial-schooling' {if you
will}, awaiting an indeterminate {fortunate} number, almost im-
mediately after we 'pass-on'; as I understand it.
 
..Perhaps, we won't be agreeing on Anything {'grevillea'} pertaining
to religion and/or 'spirituality'; including, whether you believe that
Jesus had the greatest impact of any One man, in all of recorded his-
tory{?!}.. since major portions of the world Do {for 'starters'}
date our calendars {if, somewhat innaccurately} by His roughly-
approximate, date-of-birth!
 
..But just to 'clear-the-air' {if you will}; considering the 'impact' 'JC'
had {and Still has} on recorded human history; correct me if I'm
wrong, but so far, you give Every indication of regarding 'JC' {Jesus
Christ} on that basis, as the World's Greatest 'Liar,' 'Cheat' and
'Fraud'!
..Assuming that's the case, why would {or should} in your {own} mind,
should God/'JC'.. assuming, from your own 'point-of-view,' the remote
possibility that the 'Judeo-Christian' God exists; should He 'look kindly'
upon your Eternal disposition{?!}.. given that you rejected 'out-of-hand'
His Greatest revealed Truth{?!} ..Keep in mind, 'grevillea,' that for your
benefit, and the 'sake-of-argument,' that we're dealing with 'hypotheticals'
here! {I'll be interested to 'hear' your answer!}
..Even if it's a likely case of irrevocably {and intellectually-dishonestly}
Totally dismissing, such a possibility{!?}

First and foremost, GP13 did ask for some straight up obnoxious postings and I'm happy to oblige. You [ HOM ] have gone into bat for the Christians, maybe unwittingly, but as you make more sense than IBIJ, you'll do. Secondly, we are discussing what it is that makes someone follow a particular religion, and is one religion more valid than another religion. Why would you believe in the Bible, but not in other religious books. If I were to give you the Koran, would you reject it? If so , why? You and no one else on the Christian side have yet answered how and on what basis you would make your choice. As for the rest of your post.....All your Biblical beliefs are fine by me. I won't be trying to change your mind or get you to see the Bible in a different light.If God does exist,then I doubt He will look too kindly on me, although it will be all His fault.I will be making that quite clear to Him. As for JC's impact on recorded history.....you obviously know that there are no writings of that time that make mention of him. Not for a few hundred years after his death, which makes me wonder if he existed at all. As for hypotheticals... I would prefer all religious posts to be written in that style..IE, Instead of saying JC is The Light, you should write...I believe that JC is The Light. Because, after all, you might be wrong. Grevillea.