I was sitting around thinking....Damn! Evolution is awesome. Thoughts?
 
--SoCo

Hey SC
 
I'm right there with you... damn evolution and the foolishness of men.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

I don't understand? I'm giving you what you want. Tell me why evolution can't possibly be true, and throw in some facts about the Earth being around 6000 years old. Facts always make your case the strongest.
 
Don't you want to defend yourself from my vicious personal attacks on your faith? This makes you the simpathetic Christ figure you so long to be.
 
Evolution proves that the basis for existence is as simple as Kareem Abul Jabbar's quote about playoff basketball:
"Survive and advance"
 
No divine plan, no god, no religion. Simply survival of the fittest for MILLIONS of years with every species evolving from a single cell organism.
 
That has to piss you off.
 
--SoCo

Hi SC
 
If you look further within my response you will see things that might not seen on first read.
 
However, I was recently watching a documentary on how the change of weather conditions is affecting sea life. There were some sea lions (I think) that migrated to a totally foreign place and climbed steep embancements that they were not designed to climb. To me it seems like this would be a good time for their species to evolve into skinner animals with sturdy legs; why isn't this happening?
 
Further... why is it that we cannot find even one animal that is the process of evolving into a different species since evolution is so factual?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Your an Idiot. Go hide in your book.

I regret to inform you that your precious theory has many holes that can not be fixed. Such as why certain animals that for all intents and purposes ought to be able to interbreed successfully cannot do so. All of their offspring are sterile. If they come from a common ancestor, why can't they breed successfully? Or, to move over into physics, where did all of the original matter in the Big Bang theory come from to begin with? Oh, I know. It has always existed.
 
Face it. Evolutionary theory requires more faith in a broken fossil record than needed to believe in God and Creation. At least faith in creation is rewarded by a logical order of events that reflects what we see around us. Evolution does not, it continuously changes to deal with its organic weaknesses.
 
~JEBUS

Yeah right, Jebus. Dream on. With every year, those holes are being filled in. The theory of evolution becomes more credible with time as more and more evidence is discovered. There has never been a single fossil discovery which has not been in the right place [in geological time]. All this evidence shows beyond any doubt, that there has been an evolution of life; firstly crawling out of the oceans, then developing legs, fur feathers and wings and so on. It is all there. The inescapable conclusion in these records is that humans have a common ancestry with apes. Like it or not, evolutionists have an extraordinary amount of material to back up their theory.So much so, that although the theory still has minor gaps,it is proven beyond reasonable doubt. So what have creationists got? ...nothing. Absolutely nothing. You think that our earth, a tiny speck in an insignificant galaxy has some benevolent god watching over us.And you base that belief on the ignorant scribblings of some idiots from the distant past. The bible is not the holy word of god. It is the rambling thoughts of ancient people, who did their best to make sense of it all. They got it wrong. There is no god. There is no heaven or hell. I don't know whether to feel pity or disdain for people such as Ibij. To dedicate so much effort into something that does not exist...words fail me . There are still many unanswered questions about the universe, such as where did all the original matter come from. I don't know the answer. I would love to know. One thing I am certain of is that God is not the answer.

God may not be your answer, but upon what basis do you determine that He is not THE answer?
 
Despite are vast world and it's many different species no one yet has been able to find a species actually in the process of becoming an entirely different species. Why?
 
Further, when it makes sense for sea lions to grow legs because of climatic changes why don't they?
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

God does not exist. How can something that does not exist be an answer. As for species change... you really demonstrate your total stupidity and lack of a well rounded education. I refer to your frequent posts about no one finding a species in the process of becoming another species. Are you serious? This is such a stupid claim, that I can barely bring myself to reply. However, as you are a moron on these matters; let me explain. Time. It takes millions of years. Darwin has been around for 200 years. Do you see a connection between those statements. Let me give you one of thousands of examples. Millions of years ago, Australia was much wetter than it is now.It was covered in rainforest type trees. Then, as the continent began to drift northwards, the climate became slowly drier. This gave plants , the time to adapt. A new species emerged...the eucalypt tree. This tree developed a defense against forest fires, namely that if it was burnt, it regrew from the ashes. Rainforest trees have no such defense and so today, you only find those trees in the wettest parts of Australia. Simple evolution of the survival of the fittest. As for your sea lions...if they suffer a rapid change of conditions , which are not suitable for their survival, they will die out.Life is cruel.

Thanks for settine me straight, I wasn't aware that trees were animals or humans.
 
Strange how the sea lions don't evolve given that so many other species did. They must have gotten an "F" in evolve-lution 101. Also strange how things take millions and millions of years in the past while happening almost instantaniously in the present... consider events like the erruption of Mt St. Helens for further pondering of that comment.
 
Never-the-less, even if it takes so long wouldn't it be logical that some species errrr animal should visibily be in the process of becoming another species errr animal somewhere on this great planet of ours? For example, if we come from apes then why is it that none of the transformation process exists anywhere on this planet -- minus you that is?
 
I love your logic though. You don't want there be a God; therefore there isn't... most intellectual of you I must say.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Dude your a Idiot
 
There is no discussing anything with you . Keep your little mind closed . Hold on to your book you freak. Evolution does'nt dismiss god moron . It just dismiss's your fanatical beleifs.
Go Away
 
D

IBIJ, I've put my point across. That is where I will leave things. I'm not out to convert anyone to atheism . Besides, as we all know, you are bordering on the edge of being certifiably insane, and at the very least you are an uneducated egoist. Debate with you is futile. I will finish by pointing out that seals evolved from a land based creature similar to a bear. This "bear" then took to the sea and its legs evolved into flippers . Flippers are much more useful than legs in the ocean, so I would not be holding my breath for any sudden changes.Did you comprehend that. You cretin

Hi Doorman
 
Have you spoken with Grevillea lately? There seems to be confusion in the ranks.
 
Hi Grevillea
 
At least you hold true to character. First you tell me you won't answer and then you answer... LOL
 
Tell you what, I'll give you your bear/seal or would that be seal/bear as long as you do just one thing for me. It should be an easy request considering your intellectual superiority. All I need is proof positive fossil evidance to support your claim (and no we aren't talking Lucy) and then you win this debate.
 
Convert? I'm not into converting either. Speaking the truth in love with a certain flair of sarcasm perahps, but not converting. That's the job of the Holy Spirit who will keep prompting even you for all your life. The question is, will you listen?
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

i think you should stop arguing and start enjoying life. one of us is wrong but it won't matter when we're six feet under. religion to me is denial of death. you have to face death and know you're going to die and never ever come back before you realize you have to live, to make decisions knowing this is it, for all time. enjoy now, man
 
Dale

Actually, my faith allows me to live my life without any fear of when I die. Death does not paralyze me into non action. You are right in saying that it will not matter once we die and are six feet under. It will be too late to correct any mistakes that we have made while we were alive. Consequences to our actions will continue to roll on however.
 
One concept in evolutionary theory that has not been discovered is exactly how did these astounding "changes" or adaptations get initiated. What exactly is the mechanism that gets it accomplished within the organisms? Someone stated that the eucalyptus tree came into existence due to exposure to drier climates and fires. By what internal mechanism did it specifically achieve that change? That part has to be taken on faith because no one can demonstrate how to do any of it. We still cannot create life out of dead stuff, only God has done it. That is reality, I understand it, why can't everyone else?
Have a great holiday weekend!
 
~JEBUS

Hi Jebus
 
Probably for the same reason that some fight against the Sabbath, it goes against their desires and training.
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

Hi Dale
 
Upon what evidance have you concluded that I don't enjoy my present life simply because I am also looking forward to and preparing for my future life?
 
Certainly, religion is denial of death... the defeated foe has no more power over those who accept Jesus into their lives as their own personal Lord and Savior.
 
>"you have to face death and know you're going to die
> and never ever come back before you realize you have to live, to make
> decisions knowing this is it,"
 
Why do you believe that one needs to accept such things as these?
 
Happy Sabbath
IBIJ

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It was presumptuous of me to say that, i agree, but i cannot understand the belief.

it was an existentialist response. what if this is it. nothing else. would you still make the same decisions? or would you choose differently, day to day.
 
my meaning was if you concede that if death is like getting a heavy anesthetic (which i have received for surgery as a young man) forever, then would you make different moves now.
 
and you can't be happy if you're constantly quoting the bible, because it's wrong.
 
as far as evolution is concerned, it requires mutation, genetic recombination, and complexity and ramsey action. and it works. :P
 

Hi Dale
 
Again you make statments without factual documentation whereupon to back up what you are saying.
 
> and you can't be happy if you're constantly quoting the bible, because
> it's wrong.
 
How is Scripture "wrong"? Also, if I'm buried within my own dilusional paradox, then why would I not be happy believing something that leaves me more than a little dillusional?
 
About mistakes, is there anyone alive who cannot point to something as what they would change given a seond chance? Certainly not I.
 
Cheers
IBIJ