Some people go to hell from LOVE. They LOVE the wrong things.
 
Thinking about these religious post; have you heard about Ollie getting a job painting this small church? In order to make a profit he thinned the paint out with gasoline. In a few months the paint started to fade and peel. The minister called Ollie in for an explanation. Ollie confessed and promised to redo the job.
 
The minister said, "Great, go forth and THIN no more."
 
grandpa13
 

Hi GP
 
Great joke, thanks for sharing.
 
Figure out how to get your soul to Heaven thru Scripture yet?
 
Come to think of it have you considered being a stand-up comedian. You come up with some really funny stuff.
 
And given the fact that most likely such people as Jebus, Gamma, and H/M have read our conversation it appears that the entire group is found wanting on this point. Which proves that silence is not always golden, sometimes it's down right revealing.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Grandpa 13
 
That is a cute joke! I wonder how often we take a piece of turth and then it down to our own liking? Or not doing the job at hand to the fullest of our capablity?
 
IBIJ2

..Sometimes, silence can be "golden"{!}.. especially, in cases
where it's been already shown that there's no further point in
debating various differences of Scripture-interpretation.
 
..Even the Bible states in the 'O.T.' that for everything there is
"a time for every season"!; .. and your comment, which strikes
me as an unprovoked type of 'taunt,' will Not change the fact that
as far as believer's different understandings of the Scriptures go,
your own peculiar type of 'taunt' {as if our silence, somehow
indicates a concession, on our part.. N-O-T!}.. tells me, that..
whatever other unresolved problems are going on in your own life,
{completely unrelated to your Mostly Former debating protagonists}
are being used, {perhaps by your 'subconscious-self'} as a 'straw-
man' {ie. self-imagined Big, Bible-doctrine difference, interpreta-
tion-dispute} way of coping with your own 'small'-mindedness, and
Who Knows how many other aspects of Your Own inadequacies!?
 
..For some 'comic-relief', for Both yourself And the rest of us, why
don't you identify everyone in your hometown whose 'world-view'
{including the Bible} is at variance with your own beliefs, and after
pestering them about the 'error-of-their-ways' {based on how You
understand the Bible}, please come back, in a few weeks to report
on how many people want to continue to dialogue with you.. ad nauseum,
short of ever having reached a mutual 'meeting-of-the-minds'!
 
..Just because you have nothing better to do with your time, than to
want to incessantly debate, doesn't mean that other people, feel the
same way!
..In an earlier post of mine, Mr. Hank Hannigraaf {Christian Research
Institute; on the "Web"} said it all, when he stated: "In some things
pertaining to the Bible, it will be necessary for the "Holy Spirit" to
'move' upon a person for a specific-related Scriptural truth"..{so
much for your {erroneous} assertion that "the Bible interprets itself"..
Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, original translations, 'be damned' attitude!}..
"bearing in mind that some people won't change their opinions, Not
because they can't {be persuaded}.. but, because they Won't {allow
themselves to} be persuaded"!! {fini}

H/M
 
Thanks, very well said.
 
grandpa13

Yes Hmmmm
 
I must admit that what you wrote was indeed very well written. Ever consider a career in politics? With letter's like this I believe you would excel quite nicely.
 
It's at points like this that I'm reminded of such people as John the Baptist who blantantly called the religious leaders a brood of vipers. He must not have been a very nice guy afterall. But wait, we better put Paul in that same category as he too removed all stops when preaching against the religious leaders of his day. Come to think of it, I know someone who turned over tables while making a cord of cat-tails to drive people away. Obviously this was an extremely mean guesture. How dare Jesus.
 
But you are right, there comes a time when one must simply wash their hands of the rubbish and move on. After all, this is the example Jesus set in His dealings with the Pharasee's and Saducees, right? Right? Hmmmm, I'm thinking I'm wrong about that one. Oh well, I can't be right about everything.
 
Yet, your point about believers with different points of view is certainly right on the money. There are certainly a lot of people with a lot of ideas about God's Word. What do you bet that this is the very reason that I encourage people to put the biases of men aside, read God's Word, and believe IT for exactly what IT says. How utterly odasious of me.
 
Let's see we were just talking about unprovoked taunts and then unnecessarily define myself as "small minded". How very consistent of you. Well, consistently inconsistent at least.
 
For the record though, I do not stray from dialoging about God's Word with whomever I have the chance to do so with. My approach might alter a bit depending on the circumstances. For example, I had an hour conversation with my own mom (who largely believes as you do) just last night. There was a time when neither she nor my sister would speak with me on these issues. Now though, they are actually honestly presently openly considering what I teach and how exacting to Scripture it actually is. I guess that goes to show that some people actually do ponder such things rather than just dismissing it outright largely due to never hearing such things previously.
 
And as related to my time, I laught out loud when I read that part. Both my bride and I are working 3 different jobs, building our own company, actively involved in a number of ministries, and that's just the tip of the ice-berg. Actually you can thank my high-school typing class for the length and quickness of my responses.
 
Okay, I guess that covers things quite nicely, Hmmmm?
 
Cheers
IBIJ

I see that you never bothered to read all of the verses that I quoted quite some time ago in yet another thread that dealt with this topic of souls. You simply ignore them and proceed to go merrily on your way. I understand, truly I do. Head knowledge does not equate salvation nor does it equate to wisdom. Go figure that one out...
 
~JEBUS

Hi Jebus
 
If your not talking to me, then what is this? Perhaps your just expecting to make comments without me responding and thus you can declare yourself right since you have no disagreement from me? What I do know is that IBIJ2 has not posted on this post so you have responded on your own accord on this point.
 
Now if I were to respond to you I would say something like....
 
I did read your verses and did not find in them what you were trying to make them say.
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 

IBIJ
 
I would like to hear your interpretation of these two quotes from Proverbs.
These are from The New International Version Bible.
 
Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
 
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.
 
grandpa13

Hi GP
 
My pleasure.
 
> Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in
> expressing his opinion.
 
But wouldn't it be better to hear the Bible's interpretation of this?
 
2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 
It appears Scripture is saying that we should be careful to believe only that which is in the Word rather than what others' say about the Word. If I am to be condemned for ad-nausium pointing people to what God's Word says, then I can think of no greater honor.
 
> Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on
> your own understanding.
 
This needs to be interpreted? Okay, follow without question exactly what God teaches thru His Word. That would not be the same as one who thinks they know what God's Word should say, but rather those who follow what God's Word DOES say.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

IBIJ
 
You answered this as I anticipated. You don't know how to logically answer the question at hand, so you search scripture to answer it for you. In this case you are using scripture to contradict scripture.
 
These two quotes are very literal and very easy to understand. But as it states, you take no pleasure in understanding, but you take great pleasure in expressing your opinion.
 
It has been said, "Even a Saint will sometimes lie to defend his opinion."
 
The thing I don't understand, is why I even bother to reply to your posts.
 
Grandpa13

Hi GP
 
Perhaps because something inside you is intrigued? Perhaps not.
 
Let me see if I understand what you said.
 
> "In this case you are using scripture to contradict scripture"
 
and...
 
> "but you take great pleasure in expressing your opinion."
 
Wouldn't those two sentences leave us with the equation that my own opinion is what Scripture says? If that is what I am to be guilty of, then believe me; I am guilty.
 
Since you state the two Scriptures used are being used in a contradictory fashion, would it be okay for me to ask you in what way they are contradictory? Or is this another example of making a statement without substantial substance to back-up what you have said as in getting a soul to Heaven once it has left the body?
 
You are correct...
 
> It has been said, "Even a Saint will sometimes lie to defend his
> opinion."
 
That's the very reason we should just believe the clear Word of God instead of what people say about God's Word. Thanks for the support and encouragement.
 
Cheers
IBIJ
 

IBIJ
 
Ah yes, "Games people play". I think I am tired of this one.
 
As far as your souls hangup, you got all the answers, you figure it out. I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding, but I know better than to try to explain it to you.
 
grandpa13

Hi GP
 
Naw, I sure don't have the answers. I believe God's Word does though.
 
I'm glad your satisfied with your heavenless soul dilemma, but you've got to admit that it's pretty much a cop out to not even attempt to answer my question. How many questions have you asked of me, and overall I'd say the percentage of me answering those questions is relatively high, no? I'm not saying you actually agreed with the answer, but that I provided one is my point.
 
Cheers
IBIJ

Hi Grandpa 13
 
That is interesting scripture that support scripture is controditory and Jesus used scriptures through out His ministry to support what He said. Yet we are to follow His example and at the same time be condime for answering the way Jesus told us to answer by His example.
 
So where is teh quote from "Even a Saint will sometimes lie to defend his opinion."
 
I do know why lets see if you wont search your heart and find out why.
 
IBIJ2

Hi Grandpo
 
so how do you deal with from dust you came and unto dust you return?
 
Did you read my text on this subject?
 
IBIJ2